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 Post subject: Re: Closing the box
PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:00 am 
Ha ha ha! God, I'm an idiot. I kept looking at the system like a bow and arrow (and resulting potential energy). Bad physics on my part. Take my degree away please...



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More bend in the bar stores more spring energy, but does not apply any additional load. Once the bar reaches it's critical buckling load, the clamping pressure it applies is constant. For a 3/16" x 24" fiberglass bar, this point is reached with about 1" or less deflection and under 3/4" reduction in length. If you want to understand this, Google 'Euler theory column buckling ', or refer to any decent mechanics of materials text (Hibbeler, etc.).

Another consideration: for a constant diameter bar, the shorter one applies more pressure, so a 3/16" x 28" bar will exert a wimpy 5 lb clamping pressure or so, while the 24" bar will apply 7-8 lbs.

And finally - just because it will come up again - the clamping pressure is always, always, always applied along a straight line between the two ends, so a bar with ends aligned such that they are vertical will never apply any side forces to a brace or box, while a bar whose ends are not vertical will apply some degree of side force (a very handy thing, indeed).


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 Post subject: Re: Closing the box
PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:26 pm 
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I read people use go-bar, spool clamps, lots of cam (or C) clamp, or just rubber band. Vacuum press is out for me I don't even have space for one... I think I will go with rubber bands since it seems to be the easiest for someone with little toolings.

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 Post subject: Re: Closing the box
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I hear that Chuck Norris just stares at the top/back and they immediately clamp together, forming an airtight fit until the glue (which is actually Chuck Norris spit) holds fast in about 1-2 nano-seconds...

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 Post subject: Re: Closing the box
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Actually it's been done, except for the top. A little medieval in the approach, but cool…
http://guitarra-renacentista.blogspot.com/2008/01/blaren.html

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 Post subject: Re: Closing the box
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Alain Desforges wrote:
I hear that Chuck Norris just stares at the top/back and they immediately clamp together, forming an airtight fit until the glue (which is actually Chuck Norris spit) holds fast in about 1-2 nano-seconds...


Too bad you can't play his guitars without them breaking your arms... unless, of course, you ARE Chuck Norris.


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Really? That was my first post? Years of building guitars and browsing this and other forums, and my first post is a response to a (great) Chuck Norris joke? awesome...


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 Post subject: Re: Closing the box
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I just use F-clamps 4 big ones and the rest small ones.
I insert a wooden block inbetween the clamp to spread even the presure.

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 Post subject: Re: Closing the box
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akvguitars wrote:
Alain Desforges wrote:
I hear that Chuck Norris just stares at the top/back and they immediately clamp together, forming an airtight fit until the glue (which is actually Chuck Norris spit) holds fast in about 1-2 nano-seconds...


Too bad you can't play his guitars without them breaking your arms... unless, of course, you ARE Chuck Norris.


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Really? That was my first post? Years of building guitars and browsing this and other forums, and my first post is a response to a (great) Chuck Norris joke? awesome...


Ha! Dude, that's brilliant! I'm glad I could coax that great response out of you! Welcome aboard!

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 Post subject: Re: Closing the box
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JimW wrote:
I do it this way. This is the fasted method I've tried. I use hhg for the back and top so every second counts.



What is your setup time for that? Looks like it would take longer than 2 minutes. Do you also 'upheat' the HHG to 160 or so?

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 Post subject: Re: Closing the box
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First top just glued on with spool clamps simple and easy in my views

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 Post subject: Re: Closing the box
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I hold the plate down in a radiused dish by vacuum and then clamp the rim onto it. The dish is attached to a base which allows clamp access all around. I do the back first which allows easy access for cleanup. I learned this method from Charles Fox.

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