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Woodie G
PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:15 pm 
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Valued RPM Wood Finishes Group Customers,
The RPM Wood Finishes Group continues to absorb significant price increases across the entirety of our raw material portfolio. As a result, a general price increase of 22% on products will go into effect July 4, 2022. Aerosol products will increase 12% effective July 4, 2022. The current 12% surcharge will be removed.

We want to assure you that we have and will continue to work hard to manage these costs and challenges. Our global Procurement and R&D teams are aggressively engaged in securing raw materials, even at elevated prices, to ensure the continued availability of the products you count on for your production facilities. Also, our manufacturing facilities have been operating on 6-day work weeks to ensure the outflow of products and keeping our delivery times as close to normal as possible. If these uncontrollable issues impact the production of your products, we will notify you immediately.

We certainly understand that this will have an impact on you and your customers. As always, the RPM Wood Finishes Group remains committed to providing quality products, with exceptional service at competitive prices. We appreciate your partnership through these unprecedented and volatile times. Your local RPM Wood Finishes Group Representative will contact you soon to update the product pricing specific to your operation.

Thank you for your business. Sincerely,


Ouch.

The good news is they removed the surcharge for shipping etc. that went on top of last year's price increase, and the raw materials are still largely US sourced.

The boys at Greenridge spent a bit of cash over the last couple months and have about 5 years of high use rate materials and supplies on hand, plus anything coming out of China that does not have an alternate source. Something about the pandemic speeding up the timeline by three years and the recent unpleasantness effectively taking a few more years off the clock.

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found akzo lacquer a true instrument lacquer Martin is using this and shirwinn williams lacquer I about gave up on mohawk I am a dealer for them and I can just don't think they have the quality of other lacquers

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Brad Goodman
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found akzo lacquer a true instrument lacquer Martin is using this and shirwinn williams lacquer I about gave up on mohawk I am a dealer for them and I can just don't think they have the quality of other lacquers


Where can I get the Akzo Lacquer?
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Wurth company industrial supply

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Do you have a part number or any other identifying code for the lacquer? My local Wurth distributor doesn’t seem to carry anything under the name “azko”…
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One more question John, how does it compare to the old McFadden lacquer? Thanks.

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Josh, the name is AkzoNobel coatings.

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So far this is the best lacquer I have used. It is a true instrument lacquer it polishes well
sands nice and it works with Devilbiss SriPro and may Fugi semipro gun

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Cal Maier wrote:
Josh, the name is AkzoNobel coatings.

Thanks Cal. Looking at their site, they offer several different nitros…

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John - is it one of these which you’re using?

I want to move away from Mohawk as the last couple cans I’ve used seems more prone to early crazing than in the past.


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Chemlack 441-2190-D5PRS
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Thanks John, that has helped me find it. For others looking It isn’t listed on the AkzoNobel website but on Chemcraft.com:

http://chemcraft.com/mpi/detail/NitroProdDetail/1
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Just wanted to interject a little slice of how I think here if you don't mind. When someone greatly increases the price on something that I use I consider it a service to me. It's an opportunity for me to check out the competition once again while I'm all pissed off at the price increase and maybe, maybe take my business elsewhere.

During the height of the pandemic before there were any vaccinations available I survived on curb side service where some brave store worker shopped my list and then filled my trunk with **** that I didn't order.

Got to try new products and brands that I had never used before especially in the pasta area and low and behold I liked the new to me stuff better, way better. So my buying habits changed and getting the wrong stuff in my trunk ended up being a good thing except for my arteries. :)
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I found this by accident just like you Hesh I found out from Martin the finish they were using. I knew the akzo was one of them I didnlt realize they were also using shirwinn williams . Coincidentally the salesman for WURTH is also a friend of my son. He delivers it for me so no hazmat. This stuff is so much better than the mowhawk. I can control my spray room rh and temp and with forced air I can actually sand in 48 hrs.

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I have a question, and it is not limited to nitrocellulose lacquer. Some folks advocate using finish materials that are specially formulated for musical instruments, as opposed to being formulated for wood surfaces in general, because of the different characteristics that are desired. Using these types of lacquers identified above, like akzo and Sherwin Williams, clearly does not follow that line of thought, right? Those products are formulated for all types of wood surfaces. Is the idea of using instrument-specific finishing materials something that can be ignored? I appreciate your thoughts on this.


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Instrument lacquer typically has more plasticizers in the formula to allow for the greater expansion on thin wooden plates. I have seen furniture lacquers craze in various environments and prefer to avoid that. So far, Cardinal lacquer is working well for me.
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cardinal is one I used but since I do so much finish the Azko is a true commercial instrument finish. If you can find it try it.

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doncaparker wrote:
I have a question, and it is not limited to nitrocellulose lacquer. Some folks advocate using finish materials that are specially formulated for musical instruments, as opposed to being formulated for wood surfaces in general, because of the different characteristics that are desired. Using these types of lacquers identified above, like akzo and Sherwin Williams, clearly does not follow that line of thought, right? Those products are formulated for all types of wood surfaces. Is the idea of using instrument-specific finishing materials something that can be ignored? I appreciate your thoughts on this.

I think probably there’s also a distinction to be drawn between finishes intended for “wood” vs many that are squarely aimed at the cabinet making industry and intended for spraying on inert veneered mdf-substrate.

Regardless, if volume manufacturers are using a product without catastrophic issues it suggests that it is generally fit for purpose, given the right application schedule.

For years I’ve used Behlen/Mohawk “classic instrument lacquer” which claims to be more flexible than standard nitro but I found it to be as prone to checking as anything else. Recent batches seem to be getting worse in this regard …

Beware also of the finish company’s marketing department, which is not above noticing that there exists a demographic of keen hobby builders who don’t at all mind spending a little extra for the premium “instrument version” of a finish …
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