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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 1:54 pm 
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Found these today while scanning ebay. They have some nice work by a couple of our sponsors.Very nice but out of my league price wise.http://cgi.ebay.com/Pre-CITES-Brazilian-Rosewood-Classical-Guitar_W0QQitemZ170189169501QQihZ007QQcategoryZ2385QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItemhttp://cgi.ebay.com/Highly-Distressed-High-Figure-Bubinga-Classical-Guitar_W0QQitemZ170189170921QQihZ007QQcategoryZ2385QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItemhttp://cgi.ebay.com/Green-Classical-Guitar-of-FSC-Certified-Narra_W0QQitemZ170189173006QQihZ007QQcategoryZ2385QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 2:15 pm 
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Anyone want to take a bet that that gets zero bids?

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 2:31 pm 
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That peghead face is pretty bizarre.

I have to say, I am just put off by anyone who sticks their PhD in my face with the Doctor this or the Doctor that unless it's in a medical facility or on the campus of a university...most of which I try to stay away from. The use of a title like that in this context is an attempt at pulling of rank with a false sense of superiority laid on thick. There's the implication that it is a great guitar because it was built by a person of superior intelligence to us mere termite wood chippers...

The Duck's Breath Mystery Theatre had a great comedy radio bit, "Ask Dr. Science" with a tag line, "He has a degree in science, and he knows more than you do..." all spoken in syrupy dulcet tones with a slight English accent.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:02 pm 
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Just from the photographs, I see all sorts of build and subsequent wood movement problems with these guitars....and I'm a complete newbie! I can't take your bet Howard, but I'll bet with you!

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:24 pm 
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Looks like he pushed the envelope a bit far.... :roll: :roll:


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:14 pm 
they even throw in a case????hot dog!!!... i do see some issues near the tail block inlay ,, i wonder what "DR>MASTERWORKS" was/is covering up with that beautifull piece of inlay work ?. Jody


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:16 pm 
why am I not alowed to view the files posted by the previous poster???? Jody


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 8:29 pm 
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Hey, for 10k, what's not to love about it???

Great work on the purfling and binding - check out those close-ups
Clever headstock design for easy string changes
Custom scalloped soundboard contours

And to top it all off, only $200+ for UPS Ground shipping

I gotta raise my prices right away!

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 8:41 pm 
the last guitar is " green", now aint that just the latest thing ? before ya know it , everybody will be doin it ! Jody


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 10:48 pm 
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C'mon, guys. You just can't buy this kind of craftsmanship. I think y'all are just jealous.

$10K? Sure, I'll take two!


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:39 pm 
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I think that photo shows my proprietary "I really loused up my purfling ledge and now they don't line up" system that I developed on my second build. I think I'll ask for my licensing fee from him.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:04 am 
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If you louse up your pfurling/binding ledges, can't you just glue in a new piece of wood and start over? It seems like it would be an easy and non-detectable repair to me.... :geek:

For 1% of a million bucks, I'd expect a LOT more guitar than this....

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:42 am 
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True enough Dave, but it also looks like he's infringing on my "Wavy, out-of-round, and Burned" soundhole cutting technique. I haven't used it on any guitars yet, but if that technique can help to fetch 10k on a guitar, then I should start filing my patent papers immediately.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:10 am 
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Is that bridge glued before being sprayed! You can see a fillet in the corner and the bridge looks a little to shiny! And, that's a .020in mismatch in the purfling at the bottom joint!
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And he's made the slots so wide the screw holes have broken through!
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10K... No way!

This Dr. Decker guy started Rainsong Guitars. I've only heard one on TV and I was not just unimpressed but the sound was even more obnoxious than the abomovations.

Heck! I have Hesh's credit card number I'll bid on it! SSL security HA! What a joke! :D :lol: :lol: :lol:

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:15 am 
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Looks like he's failed to achieve the OLF seal of approval! :lol:

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:37 am 
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Um, Billy, it's a whale, not a seal...... :D ;)

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:54 am 
one must admit he does an almost artistic job of wrapping the strings around the bridge and the pegs ! Jody


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:00 am 
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Geeze, I'm dissapointed in y'all....

You notice the cosmetics, yet you've all missed the broken bridge, and the severely warped top in my cropped photo.

Look past the cosmetics when viewing stuff....


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I hope my first turns out better than this one. I don't pretend that it'll be perfect, but geez, I don't think I could accept those tolerances.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:46 am 
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Mario, I noticed the warped top, but not the broken bridge. The finish looks really thick to me too. I think too thick for a classical.

I can't say anything to the cosmetic stuff as I couldn't do any better at this point in my skills. I reserve judgment on that for when I can...but a warped top for $10k, yikes!

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:24 pm 
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Y'know, folks, I hadn't taken a close look at any photos when I posted that it wouldn't get bid at $10K. That was just based on seeing how lots of fine handmade guitars by some well-known makers get no bids on Ebay. I won't take issue with the criticisms here (except to note that gluing the bridge before finishing and finishing over the bridge is common on classicals). But this piling on is getting a bit unseemly, and I'm regretting having posted anything on this thread. Time to stop it, IMO.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:05 pm 
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Howard Klepper wrote:
That was just based on seeing how lots of fine handmade guitars by some well-known makers get no bids on Ebay.


Well, eBay really is for dumpster divers.

That said, 50's Les Pauls and Strats get posted on there all the time, legit ones. It's more of a "heads-up" or cheap advert than anything else.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:07 pm 
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Rick Turner wrote:
...I have to say, I am just put off by anyone who sticks their PhD in my face with ....


Agreed, raises suspicion


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Piled higher and Deeper

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:15 pm 
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I didnt originally post this to criticize the maker. I just noticed the nice inlays made by a couple of our sponsors. I did notice these inlays posted here in the past, but I thought people might like to see where they went. I dont think the craftsmanship of this guitar maker reflects on the quality of our sponers at all.
I agree with Mr. Klepper. Maybe I should have looked closer at all the pictures before I posted. I probably wouldnt have posted this if I had.

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