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| Author: | douglas ingram [ Fri Mar 14, 2008 10:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | "Nylatron" black fret wire? Sources? |
Anyone heard of black fretwire called Nylatron? I've seen it on Michael Peters website, he's using it on classical guitars. It wold work well with a project that I'm planning. Any idea of where to get it? a quick google search this morning didn't turn up anything, other than a like to Micheal's website... |
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| Author: | Michael Dale Payne [ Fri Mar 14, 2008 10:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Nylatron" black fret wire? Sources? |
Wow????? Nylatron is a plastic like polymer Harder and more ridged than UHMW. We use it as bushing material for non lubricated shaft situations. I never knew that frets were ever made from it. i suspect he is machining his own from round bar stock Nylatron |
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| Author: | Bob Garrish [ Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Nylatron" black fret wire? Sources? |
The stuff is pretty hard for a polymer, it's Nylon with a hard filler. I think it would stand up pretty well on a classical, as it's being used there. Questionable on a steel string, though maybe I'll run some tests just to see. |
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| Author: | Howard Klepper [ Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Nylatron" black fret wire? Sources? |
I think there is wide agreement that plastic saddles, even when made from fairly hard plastics, dampen vibration and hurt the sound of a guitar. Why would this not also be the case if one put plastic in contact with the string at the other end? |
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| Author: | David Collins [ Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Nylatron" black fret wire? Sources? |
I agree with Howard, and would add the question - what improvements or desirable aspects would guide a person to choose a synthetic like this over traditional wire? |
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| Author: | Erik Hauri [ Fri Mar 14, 2008 6:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Nylatron" black fret wire? Sources? |
David Collins wrote: I agree with Howard, and would add the question - what improvements or desirable aspects would guide a person to choose a synthetic like this over traditional wire? The answer is obvious....so that you get even tone up & down the neck when using a plastic saddle! 
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| Author: | Jim Watts [ Fri Mar 14, 2008 6:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Nylatron" black fret wire? Sources? |
I assume that these would be glued in. If so, do some research on what the appropriate adhesive is, as nylon is difficult to bond to. |
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| Author: | Bob Garrish [ Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Nylatron" black fret wire? Sources? |
David Collins wrote: I agree with Howard, and would add the question - what improvements or desirable aspects would guide a person to choose a synthetic like this over traditional wire? Blackness. Check out how much the black plastic they make MacBooks out of costs! |
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| Author: | douglas ingram [ Fri Mar 14, 2008 10:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Nylatron" black fret wire? Sources? |
I've just heard about this stuff today. I have no idea if its any good. Blackness is indeed what was appealing to me. I had in mind a deep chocolate cedar soundboard on similarly dark body wood, ebony fingerboard and headstock, Classical guitar. Maybe black tuning machines, too. the black fretwire sounded like just the thing to set it off, unless there is some good reason not to. |
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| Author: | Hank Mauel [ Sat Mar 15, 2008 11:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Nylatron" black fret wire? Sources? |
douglas ingram wrote: I've just heard about this stuff today. I have no idea if its any good. Blackness is indeed what was appealing to me. I had in mind a deep chocolate cedar soundboard on similarly dark body wood, ebony fingerboard and headstock, Classical guitar. Maybe black tuning machines, too. the black fretwire sounded like just the thing to set it off, unless there is some good reason not to. You're building this for Darth Vader? 
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| Author: | Rick Turner [ Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Nylatron" black fret wire? Sources? |
Ahhh, aesthetics at any cost. This is to be a showpiece locked in a glass case... "Form follows function", does it not? |
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| Author: | douglas ingram [ Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Nylatron" black fret wire? Sources? |
Rick Turner wrote: Ahhh, aesthetics at any cost. This is to be a showpiece locked in a glass case... "Form follows function", does it not? No. Not aesthetics at any cost. Not life stuck in a glass case. A certain goal in mind functionally, and aesthetically. Now, collecting ideas about how to put it together. Making a good guitar is the first priority. Determining the look is an extension of that. |
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| Author: | Scott McKee [ Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Nylatron" black fret wire? Sources? |
I've never used it myself but I have seen others use 1/8" black Delrin rod for classical frets. They are set in a square channel just a bit deeper than half of the diameter and epoxied in place. With the right depth, the epoxy locks the frets in place. It seemed to work quite well. |
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