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Author:  rajones19 [ Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:49 pm ]
Post subject:  New Mandolin - But shaped like a guitar

After WAY too much time in the shop, my mandolins are finally complete. Photos of the one I'm keeping are below. The twin to this one was a commission, and was delivered to its new home in Northern Michigan last weekend.

The body shape is taken from the Bob Benedetto blueprint; the cutaway was redrawn to be a little less deep. Scale length is 13-7/8. They're 'tone bar' braced like an F5. The body size was reduced so the distance between the neck joint and the bridge is 6-15/16", and the neck joins at the 12th fret. If my memory is correct, the reduction was around 64%. F-hole design was adapted from a picture of a guitar built by the late John Zeidler. Peghead shape was 'borrowed' from a mid-30's Epiphone Broadway.

The top is Englemann Spruce, maple everywhere else, with lightly-figured ebony on both sides of the peghead, the finger rest, and the armrest (which was removed for the photos). There is a McIntyre Acoustic Feather under the bridge; the bridge itself is from Cumberland Acoustics. Finish is Target's Oxford Ultima USL. I sealed with two coats of shellac, followed by a couple coats of USL containing TransTint dyes, followed by clear coats.

The 'concept' for this project came about when I chickened out on a bigger project. I'm a guitar player mostly, and have built a few guitars. It's been a life-long dream to build an archtop guitar. Then I found out how much a good set of guitar-sized curly maple backs/sides cost, and decided to build something smaller (i.e. CHEAPER) as a first carving project. These mandolins were built almost entirely using the methods in Benedetto's archtop guitar book. Before cutting into the good woods, I built a prototype out of Home Depot woods - cedar siding for the top, poplar back, maple sides and neck, hobby shop walnut for headstock veneer. Stupid thing came out sounding pretty good for a quick, down and dirty project. There are pictures and clips from that on the site listed in my sig.

What I discovered on this project is that if you don't work on something for 4-1/2 years or so, it takes a LONG time to get it done! I told my friend who bought the other mandolin "When I've got a 9-year wait list, you can say you only waited 5 years for yours!"

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Author:  David Collins [ Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:58 pm ]
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Very cool Rick. Brian told be about those, and I hope to see the one you kept one of these days. He said you were heading up north with the commissioned one on the weekend we had the Michigan Guild of Luthiers meeting, but I hope you can make it out to another (whenever that may be).

Author:  Tom Morici [ Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:03 pm ]
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Rick,
Absolutely stunning, in both design and craftsmanship.
Way to go!

Tom

Author:  rajones19 [ Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:08 pm ]
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Thanks for the kind words!

David - I'll no doubt be over in A2 sometime in the next few weeks to see Brian; I'll get in touch beforehand, see if you'll be around. I was sorry to miss the get-together, and definitely want to make it to the next one.

Author:  KenH [ Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:08 pm ]
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I *REALLY* like this one!

Well done Rick!

Author:  Rich Schnee [ Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:52 pm ]
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Wow Rick, I like it and it looks gorgeous. Now I have another project to add to the list of things to do.

Author:  Hesh [ Sun Mar 16, 2008 8:05 pm ]
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Rick this is a stunning instrument and I love it!!! [:Y:] [clap] [clap] [clap] [clap] [clap]

I am sorry that you had to miss the A2 gathering but when you are planning on being in town please let me know too so we can get together. I think that David could probably stand me being around again too but just be careful if you do any recording at his shop - he has an annoying habit of pounding on the bridge of a guitar while the artist is laying down a track.......... :D

Author:  Mike Lindstrom [ Sun Mar 16, 2008 8:38 pm ]
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A series of power outages spaced exactly the amount of time needed to reboot, load Firefox and type 85% of a message continue to thwart this post.

Here's the short version.

Wow! That's awesome. Now I've got to rush through a few more guitars so I can try that too.

Miek

Author:  Andy Zimmerman [ Sun Mar 16, 2008 8:41 pm ]
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Absolutely STUNNING!!!! One of the best mandolins I have ever seen. Fantastic detail!!!!
I am attempting my first mandolin now and I am appreciating how difficult they are. MUCH harder than a guitar.

Beautiful!!!!!!!! WOW!!!!!!!

Author:  Sherman [ Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:24 pm ]
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Awesome ... I love Benedetto's designs, though I may be slightly biased since they're the only "big" name manufacturer in my area. Well done, sir.

Author:  rajones19 [ Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:25 pm ]
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azimmer1 wrote:
...... I am appreciating how difficult they are. MUCH harder than a guitar.

Andy - Wow, you said it. As I said in my post, I started this project because I didn't want to chance screwing up $300 worth of guitar woods. Last spring I had occasion to spend a few hours with Mike Kemnitzer, builder of world-renowned Nugget mandolins, and I told him that story. He laughed and said "And, are you sorry now?". Boy, he said it. I had no idea how exacting, how fussy they are. Details that would be invisible on a guitar appear HUGE on a mandolin. They can be rather addicting for the same reason. You get absolutely lost in the most minute little tasks; agonizing becomes something of an art form.

Thanks to everybody for the kind words. Hesh, next time I'm over that way, I'll give a shout. I'd really like to make it to one of the lunches or whatever - I'd like to meet everybody. Lance and I corresponded years ago; he stumbled across my web site when he was building his first guitar. Would be nice to actually shake hands with all you folks!

Author:  WaddyThomson [ Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:30 pm ]
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Rick, that is just way cool! Great job! [:Y:] [clap] [clap] [clap] [clap] [clap]

Author:  burbank [ Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:32 pm ]
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Rick,

a delight to behold!

Author:  David Collins [ Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:17 am ]
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Hesh wrote:
he has an annoying habit of pounding on the bridge of a guitar while the artist is laying down a track.......... :D


I really thought that "rhythm track" was my only good contribution to the recordings of the day. idunno :mrgreen:

That 00 just makes for a great kickboard tone. :D (we need an emoticon for the little "pa-dum pum, tsshhh" drum fill)

Author:  douglas ingram [ Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:36 am ]
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Beautiful! Almost makes me want to build a mandolin beehive Like I need MORE projects...

You are definitely ready to build that guitar.

Author:  grumpy [ Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:50 am ]
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Sweet!

Author:  LanceK [ Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:03 am ]
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Looks great Rick! I Second Davids comments, I sure hope you can bring one to a MGL meet one day! [:Y:]

Author:  curtis [ Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:47 am ]
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wow, that really is a beauty - and i thought the prototype was nice! (has that fully imploded yet by the way Rick?)

I've been talking about your work with a few friends, i think they'll be dumbstruck like me when they see 'em!

very well done, thats really impressive...wow
steve

Author:  John Kinnaird jr [ Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:59 am ]
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Very nice!

How does the tone differ from a more ordinary F-5 mandolin, or does it.

John

Author:  Billy T [ Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:07 am ]
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Real Nice!!!!

Author:  Zach Ehley [ Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:28 pm ]
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grumpy wrote:
Sweet!


My work(s) exactly. [:Y:]

Author:  Zach Ehley [ Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:30 pm ]
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Is there a reason mando fretboards sit so high off the body?

Author:  martinedwards [ Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:43 pm ]
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zehley wrote:
Is there a reason mando fretboards sit so high off the body?


break angle at the bridge I guess......


Rick, that mando is STUNNING,

I LOVE it,

Beautiful work, well done!!!!!

Author:  Colin S [ Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:55 pm ]
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Now that's a mandolin I would love to try, it looks amazing! Well worth the wait I'd say.

Colin

Author:  Marc [ Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:03 am ]
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Wow! That is a beautiful instrument, looks absolutely flawless.

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