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Author:  matti [ Tue May 13, 2008 10:20 pm ]
Post subject:  radius dish making
ok so first off hi everyone! I have been lurking around this site for a while learning about guitar making and plan to start one this coming mid summer or fall. but in the meantime I want to get quite a few jigs and odds and ends made. ok so anyways for making a radius dish does anyone know of a good free design program I can use to get a segment of an arc for a 25 foot radius? I am not currently familiar with any autoCAD or whatever design programs but could certainly learn if that would be the only option. I tried downloading a few free basic programs but none seem to offer what i am looking for. I want to use the arc to make rails for my router and prefer if the arc is exact.

I am fairly comfortable with math and could just work out a bunch of points and connect the dots or just use some kind of 25 foot long string but hey what are computers for ( besides learning about guitar making obviously :lol: ).

Matt
Author:  Hesh [ Tue May 13, 2008 10:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: radius dish making
Hi Matt and welcome to the OLF! [:Y:] [clap] [clap] [clap] [clap]
Author:  Mike Lindstrom [ Tue May 13, 2008 11:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: radius dish making
I set my radius with a screwdriver, a tape measure, and a pencil. Cut it out with a jigsaw. It wasn't quite smooth, so I slapped a piece of sand paper between the concave and convex pieces, wiggled them around a bit, then flipped the paper and repeated a couple of times. A smooth circular radius is sort of self correcting. Probably 15 minutes total, I had a template that matched perfectly.

Going from that to a functional dish was not as smooth. My jigs have had a little flex in them so I haven't ended up with a dish I like yet. I had a time squeeze and ended up buying a dish for my top. I haven't given up on making others yet, but it was way easier to give my credit card to one of the OLF suppliers. Not as fun or interesting, but it generated a lot less MDF sawdust on the back porch.

Miek
Author:  Heath Blair [ Wed May 14, 2008 12:13 am ]
Post subject:  Re: radius dish making
here are some links that helped me out greatly. you said that you are comfortable with math, but if you have any questions feel free to ask. i tried the super long string and also the bend a wire between two points methods and was completely dissatisfied with the results, so this is what worked best for me.

http://gicl.cs.drexel.edu/people/sevy/l ... mpass.html

http://www.ukuleles.com/Technology/calcarc.html

even if you print out a perfect radius, you are still left to sand down perfectly to a line. some would argue that being perfect here is not essential, but hey, its in my personality so its what i aim for. so basically what i did (if you read the long compass link) is instead of using a pencil in the long compass to draw an arc, i made a sled to hold my router and routed out a perfect arc using the same method. its kinda annoying because you are basically making a jig to make a jig to make a jig, etc. it works great though. my radius dishes turned out wonderful and are really accurate. and on top of it, i felt good about the work i did, which is almost more important. i hope that all makes sense. if not, ask here or send me a private message.
Author:  Heath Blair [ Wed May 14, 2008 12:16 am ]
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oh, at the bottom of the second link, there is a spread sheet (arc calc) to help you determine some of the distances you will need.
Author:  Terence Kennedy [ Wed May 14, 2008 7:15 am ]
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When you are ready to rout out your first MDF radius dish do it outside with the wind at your back. It makes an enormous mess!
Terry
Author:  Robbie O'Brien [ Wed May 14, 2008 8:49 am ]
Post subject:  Re: radius dish making
Call Tracy at Luthier suppliers and save yourself the dust and trouble.
Author:  BobK [ Wed May 14, 2008 9:46 am ]
Post subject:  Re: radius dish making
Try this link.
http://www.luthiersforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10101&t=17072
Author:  Steve Saville [ Wed May 14, 2008 10:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: radius dish making
Check out this thread.
http://www.luthiersforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10102&t=7750&hilit=radius

viewtopic.php?f=10102&t=7750&hilit=radius
Author:  matti [ Wed May 14, 2008 2:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: radius dish making
thanks for all the replies! who knew you guys would be good at building guitars and so helpful [:Y:]

I think in the end I will go and order the radius gauges from luthier supplies. I like the idea of being able to use them for so many different things and having a relatively permanent template to make several dishes from.

Matt
Author:  Brad T [ Wed May 14, 2008 7:39 pm ]
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I plugged in these numbers today and got these other numbers :D I used the excel program above and the one in my original post that was pointed out, and here is what I got for a 16" chord and a 24" chord. I tried them in both programs and they came out to be the same. Well, apparently I can't post a Word document, but the formula is a handy thing to have.
Author:  Brad T [ Wed May 14, 2008 7:40 pm ]
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By the way, Matt, welcome to the OLF. Lots of really great information here, and lots more in the archives!
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