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Author: | John Hale [ Wed May 28, 2008 4:03 pm ] |
Post subject: | Mold/Free assembly |
Should I make a mold as in 'Build your own Acoustic Guitar' by Jonathon Kinkead or do a free assemlbly as in Guitarmaking:Tradition & Technology By William Cumpiano and Jonathan Natelson Currently I'm leaning towards mold and have some old kitchen worktops I've started on. I'd be interested in peoples opinions. Thanks John |
Author: | JJ Donohue [ Wed May 28, 2008 4:13 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Mold/Free assembly |
Mold...you won't be sorry! |
Author: | Michael Dale Payne [ Wed May 28, 2008 4:16 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Mold/Free assembly |
Here is some insight. The thinking on free form building was that a under bent side in a mold induced stress on the guitar that free form building did not. but most of the perponents of free form build including Bill Cumpiano are now using body molds. The stress of the sprung sides is normalized once the back and top are guled up IMO |
Author: | curtis [ Wed May 28, 2008 5:17 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Mold/Free assembly |
mold! to me it's all about controlling every thing that you can. You might get some lucky accidents - but dont bank on it! if you control it all you can replicate the good stuff, or improve on it. sounds like i'm saying the non-mold route is 'uncontrolled'..i dont mean that, i just mean that the mold method makes a lot of sense good luck |
Author: | Jonas [ Wed May 28, 2008 6:11 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Mold/Free assembly |
I was thinking about doing mine without a mold at all but the spring back from the bubinga i had was just too omega extreme!!! for it. With a mold you can keep it exactly the way you like pretty much indeffinatly. I just made a semi-solid mold from the Kinkead book. It took my about a half an hour and all you need is a saw and a nail gun. Really easy too. You should consider that. |
Author: | Brad T [ Wed May 28, 2008 6:42 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Mold/Free assembly |
mold... |
Author: | SniderMike [ Wed May 28, 2008 6:43 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Mold/Free assembly |
Mildew. I mean mold. |
Author: | stan thomison [ Wed May 28, 2008 8:35 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Mold/Free assembly |
Suggest until get a few under your belt mold. Then try one without and figure out out you like and works for you. Some great builders here who don't use them. Just a suggestion on first. |
Author: | KenH [ Thu May 29, 2008 10:53 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Mold/Free assembly |
I built a thinline acoustic recently without a mold. It was a real challenge trying to keep everything lined up and on center. If it is at all possible, I reccommend using a mold. It just makes everything easier to work with. |
Author: | Colin S [ Fri May 30, 2008 2:31 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Mold/Free assembly |
I wouldn't use a mold, but I'd definitely use a mould. But then I'm English. Colin |
Author: | Michael Dale Payne [ Fri May 30, 2008 9:38 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Mold/Free assembly |
OK let’s stop calling them molds. They really are not molds. They are "body or rim assembly fixtures" A mold is something you pore a malleable material into to achieve a shape. a Fixture is something you place components into to maintain alignment during construction or fabrication. Solves the international the spelling issue. |
Author: | Howard Klepper [ Fri May 30, 2008 12:03 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Mold/Free assembly |
How about "forms?" But I'm not one to quibble about usage, as you know. I build without molds. I mostly build double sides, and molds aren't needed once you laminate. Since most people use molds and like them, I'm not going to say that a new builder should build without. Probably it's best to use them until you know what the issues will be. But one would not know from the previous posts that there are any advantages to going moldless. Mainly it becomes so easy to handle the rim set, to access it from any angle. And nothing gets in the way of clamping the liners or side braces. One also is not constrained from tweaking the shape in any direction one chooses, at least with single sides, and in a couple of directions with double sides, too. |
Author: | Kirt Myers [ Fri May 30, 2008 12:10 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Mold/Free assembly |
Howard, you could build underwater, handcuffed and blindfolded. Good points though. |
Author: | Michael Dale Payne [ Fri May 30, 2008 12:49 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Mold/Free assembly |
Howard Klepper wrote: How about "forms?" But I'm not one to quibble about usage, as you know. I build without molds. I mostly build double sides, and molds aren't needed once you laminate. Since most people use molds and like them, I'm not going to say that a new builder should build without. Probably it's best to use them until you know what the issues will be. But one would not know from the previous posts that there are any advantages to going moldless. Mainly it becomes so easy to handle the rim set, to access it from any angle. And nothing gets in the way of clamping the liners or side braces. One also is not constrained from tweaking the shape in any direction one chooses, at least with single sides, and in a couple of directions with double sides, too. Yep form works as well |
Author: | James Ringelspaugh [ Fri May 30, 2008 4:23 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Mold/Free assembly |
I guess I'm in the minority. I have never used a mold. |
Author: | Kevin Gallagher [ Sat May 31, 2008 9:52 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Mold/Free assembly |
I would recommend the use of a mold. It's actually a frame or template used to produce a shape and that definition applies nicely to our use of molds in guitar building. I've had opportunity to see guitars built by some well known proponents of mold free building and a good number were askew. I understand that Bill Cumpiano uses a mold to build now so I'd throw his advocation of mold free building in his book out the window since a mold has obviously proven its worth to him since its writing. You'll happy that you used a mold once you do. The double side guys can exercise a little more freedom in this area simply because of the elevated rigidity of their exceptionally stable laminated sides. Regards, Kevin Gallagher/Omega Guitars |
Author: | Wade Sylvester [ Sat May 31, 2008 12:19 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Mold/Free assembly |
Most of my stringed creations were built moldless until recently. My excuse for not using a form was mostly because I have been making up shapes and I can’t seem to design the same shape twice. For my resent guitar build, I made a form. I think there are some advantages to using a form most of which include its ability to hold the sides stiff when sanding the rim in preparation for gluing the back or top on, especially if you use a radius-dish to sand the edges. The form affords a lot more control for a precise gluing surface IMO. Even though the time I saved in sanding was taken up by the building of the form, I think I have a better constructed box in the end. Although that has yet to be seen. Wade |
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