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Author:  Jack.Straw [ Thu Jun 19, 2008 7:10 am ]
Post subject:  Glue talk.
Hi guys. I'm going to try my first laminate neck on my next build and am curious what type of glue luthiers use? Up until now i've been using Elmer's version of Gorilla glue for everything... from scarf joints to inlays... because that's what i have. However, i'm getting more serious about things now. What glues work best for you?
Author:  TonyKarol [ Thu Jun 19, 2008 7:17 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Glue talk.
Some use epoxy, some the polyurethane glues, to eliminate the water in the glue factor that for some cause warpage ... Since I glue up blanks in oversize (ie not precarved), I prefer good ole Titebond .... been used on almost 100 guitars so far, not one neck lam failure. Its stronger than the wood, what else do you need ??? Good fitting joints are a must.
Author:  JJ Donohue [ Thu Jun 19, 2008 7:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Glue talk.
I use Titebond as Tony has stated. I also make them oversized to allow for subsequent milling. I typically make up my neck blanks 6 months prior to cutting out the necks. Milling after that length of time gives the wood time to do what it's going to do and then I square them up prior to use.
Author:  John Hale [ Thu Jun 19, 2008 7:42 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Glue talk.
I've tried cascamite
Author:  Laurent Brondel [ Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:20 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Glue talk.
Cascamite is sold here as Weldwood (urea formaldehyde), it's a great glue but takes forever to cure and glue lines appear as dark lines, which could be disastrous with maple laminates. Titebond is better suited, or epoxy if you don't mind the mess.
Author:  Don Williams [ Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:28 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Glue talk.
Barnacle glue.
Author:  Mike Collins [ Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Glue talk.
Don;
I have a reply to that but it would get me kicked off the forum!
[clap]
Mike
Author:  Don Williams [ Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:41 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Glue talk.
Mike Collins wrote:
Don;
I have a reply to that but it would get me kicked off the forum!
[clap]
Mike


Hey Mike, I said "Barnacle Glue", not "Barncle Bill".....

I'm just wondering how many folks go back far enough to remember this...
Author:  jhowell [ Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:10 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Glue talk.
That would be Barnacle Bill, the Sailor!

OOPS! Official Old pfft now!!!
Author:  Jack.Straw [ Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Glue talk.
Really? Titebond is the way to go? I actually have some of that already that i used to repair my bed. I thought about using it on my instruments, but it says on the label "It's sensitivity to moisture allows for the easy disassembly of parts." That scared me away..
Author:  Dave Rickard [ Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Glue talk.
Don Williams wrote:
Mike Collins wrote:
Don;
I have a reply to that but it would get me kicked off the forum!
[clap]
Mike


Hey Mike, I said "Barnacle Glue", not "Barncle Bill".....

I'm just wondering how many folks go back far enough to remember this...



It's only me I'm home from the sea. Said Barncle Bill the sailor.

Is that whos knocking at my door?
Author:  Bob Garrish [ Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Glue talk.
I've used titebond, polyurethane glues, and epoxy. They all work fine, and all have far beyond the mechanical properties needed in this application (think of the size of the gluing surface). I've been wanting to try hide glue, but have been too busy to build the necessary machinery (by my count, I've got about ten seconds to get the laminates clamped up and under full force once I apply the glue)
Author:  R W Goodman [ Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Glue talk.
How about fish glue? Im not recommending but asking. Is there anywhere on a guitar where its low water resistance is an issue?

Warren.
Author:  RaymundH [ Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Glue talk.
I typically like to use LMI white as well as it's easy to use and cures clear and hard.

As far as the use of Original Titebond, the folks on Sycamore Street use it for almost all applications...They seem to have a good reputation :D
I've also seen little bottles of Elmer's white in use in their inlay department.
Author:  Arnt Rian [ Thu Jun 19, 2008 7:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Glue talk.
I use now use fish glue, and I have also used Titebond. I am sure polyurethane works great too. The reason I'm using FG is it has higher heat resistance than Titebond (in case the fingerboard needs to come off and heat will be used, don't really know if it would be an issue), it doesn't "creep" and there is no sunken glue line like you sometimes see with Titebond. I normally only laminate two pieces for necks, so after the truss rod slot is routed there is really not much glue line left in the neck shaft.
Author:  j.Brown [ Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:17 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Glue talk.
Rick turner had a fantastic post some time back about all the different types of glue he uses. Hopefully this link works for that: http://www.luthiersforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10102&t=15254&p=217939&hilit=glue#p217939
I have followed most of his uses on my last two builds. That is a trusted list.
-j.
Author:  Michael Dale Payne [ Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:35 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Glue talk.
Here is my thoughts. 99.999% of all laminations we do we never will need to seam seprate for any repair reason. In fact we don't want them to ever seprate. So with this train of though use a glue that gives a comfortable workable time to insure the allignment after clamping, gives a good mechanical bond, leaves the least noticable joint line and is enviromentally tough. For me Epoxy fits that bill well.
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