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Author:  Terence Kennedy [ Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:46 am ]
Post subject:  Tru-Oil on necks question
Greetings,
I've used Tru-Oil on several necks. Prep with a 600G sanding, Z Poxy pore fill, polish to about 600 grit again and apply Tru oil. 10-12 thin coats, 10 day cure, polish with micromesh. I've noticed a little fuzzyness in spots after playing a lot for several weeks. Almost like raised grain. Can polish out but comes back. Is this common? Solution?
Terry
Author:  JJ Donohue [ Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Tru-Oil on necks question
Terry...I'm seeing the same thing...kinda reminiscent of what I was seeing with FP necks. I just quickly sand it down with a few swipes of 800 grit and it's smooth again for the next few months. I might try re-applying additional oil to see if there's a point at which it will no longer roughen.
Author:  SniderMike [ Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:05 pm ]
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Interesting. That has never happened to me. I only prep sand to 220 before epoxy pore fill, then 220 or 320 after epoxy. I rub the tru-oil out with steel wool.
Author:  Terence Kennedy [ Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Tru-Oil on necks question
How many coats do you apply Mike? How long a cure before rub out?

Terry
Author:  SniderMike [ Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Tru-Oil on necks question
Like you, I probably apply 10-12 coats in all. I have recoated in as little as two hours in the hotter months. Anyway, I lightly buff with 0000 between coats. I try to wait a week after the final coat, but I've rubbed it out after a couple days too. I've also found that the older the tru-oil, the longer it takes to cure. I needs me some bloxygen!
Author:  Terence Kennedy [ Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:53 pm ]
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Thanks Mike
Terry
Author:  James W B [ Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Tru-Oil on necks question
On necks that I have filled with Z-Poxy ,I`ve had the same problem with different finishes.Eventually they start to feel like the grain is raising and they need some buffing with steel wool.On the last neck I did I filled it with Tru-oil sealer before applying several coats of Tru-oil. This is the only way I will finish a neck from now on.This neck gets some serious playing time ,and it`s still slick and smooth.No more Z-poxy on necks for me.
James W B
Author:  old man [ Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Tru-Oil on necks question
I'm doing my 6th tru-oil neck right now and I haven't had that problem. What I do is sand to 800, apply the first two coats using 0000 wool as the applicator which does the filling. When that is good and dry I rub back lightly with 0000 the apply all subsequent layers with a t-shirt. After two or three thin coats I hit it with 0000 again until I get the level of gloss I like then I let it sit for a week, if I have the patience. Then I rub out with medium, then fine cmpd., wipe on a coat of lemon oil and it's ready to play.

Ron
Author:  Kim [ Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Tru-Oil on necks question
Very timely neck finish topic, thanks for the input guys.

I am looking at true-oil for a QLD Maple neck, the wood is a very pale pinkish white, I would like it darker. I am wondering if maybe sealing with shellac, an amber stain, another coat of shellac to seal the stain and then tru-oil to finish would work any thoughts?

Also, if shellac is OK to use under tru-oil, I am wondering if this maybe could resolve the fuzziness problem that some of you are experiencing?

Sorry to ask more than I can answer but finish is certainly not my forte in woodwork :(

Cheers

Kim
Author:  WaddyThomson [ Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:25 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Tru-Oil on necks question
I'm not experienced in Tru-Oil, but I have read many posts where shellac was used as a base coat, as well as pore filling with shellac and pumice before applying the Tru-Oil. You might get enough color with a brown shellac or a garnet shellac as a base coat.
Author:  BobK [ Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Tru-Oil on necks question
I've used Tru oil over shellac and zpoxy and haven't had any problems. I apply a couple of coats per day with a t-shirt (4 coats total) and then smooth with 0000 steel wool. Another couple of coats followed by steel wool if necessary. Let cure for a week or so and buff out with med and fine manzerna. i don't see much of an improvement with extra fine. I'll have to try the lemon oil tip on my necks.

By the way I just finished making a vanity for my bathroom and used Tru oil as my top coat.
Author:  Michael Dale Payne [ Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Tru-Oil on necks question
Couple of comments here. May be pertinent and maybe not. I am one of those that have very highly acidity in my sweat and I have a few clients the same way. They claim they could not use FP or tru-oil finish on their necks because their perspiration softened the finish. After changing out several neck finishes for them I begain asking the question if they wiped down after every session. not one said they ever wiped down. So I talked one of them into keeping tru-oil as his finish and make a habit of wiping down after every session. That has been two years ago and he is having no issue at all. So if you are one of these that have a high acid perspiration let me suggest to get in the habit of wiping down with a moist but not wet lint free cloth after near every session and this problem goes away. It is the sweat slowly softening the tru-oil that most often causes this issue. Wiping down after a session removes the sweat before it can soften the finish. Same issue as with gun bluing. only about 10% of the guitar playing public has this problem

The other is there is no issue at all with tru-oil over shellac or Zpoxy
Author:  Todd Rose [ Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Tru-Oil on necks question
I have acidic sweat, and I have had major problems with nitro on necks. I don't have any problem at all with shellac (FP) on necks. Just a tangential comment.
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