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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:56 am 
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I have a good friend that bought me a Grizzly 14" band saw w/ a 6" extension and re-saw fence because the Lord told him to. I was blown away. PTL
I have a couple of questions.
What blade is best for re-sawing and where is the best place to buy blades?
Also, speaking a of saw blade, what saw/blade do you use to cut fret slots?
Thanks
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 9:44 am 
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:28 am 
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Wow!

Lenox Trimaster. 3/8" is about all you can tension even vaguely enough with that sort of frame. I can get mine to 17,000 psi with my Delta 14", which is way short of the 30,000 psi recommended, but I've sawn everything OK at that tension.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:46 am 
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Mark,

I do not mean to be mysterious here, but have you ever read Mark 11 in the Bible?

Maybe you might wanna do that...

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Congratulations, Mark!

But guys, we need to steer away from religious discussion here. It goes against the guidelines of the forum here (and in many others).

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:27 pm 
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What Todd said, except I find the most useful blade to leave in the saw for general purposes is a 1/4" 6tpi, either skip or hook, depending on the brand; hook if Timberwolf, skip if Lenox or Starrett. IME, hook cuts better initially and on softer woods, skip seems to do at least as well on very hard woods and lasts a bit longer.

Band saw blades are a supply item that wears out (dulls) and needs regular replacing. I've noticed that a lot of people leave them on the machine long after they should have been tossed.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:58 pm 
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Pat Foster wrote:
But guys, we need to steer away from religious discussion here. It goes against the guidelines of the forum here (and in many others).



I concur. Dial down the religion please. It has no place here. There is a time and a place for that, and this ain't it.

Congrats on the new saw.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 4:35 pm 
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Holy carp fellas!!! I was not trying to say ANYTHING religious! gaah

I just thought it was kind of funny given the title and the OP's user name!

You guys are a little too quick on the trigger this time.

Oh, and pardon my use of "holy" cause that too had no DEEP meaning.

Yeesh! gaah

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 5:06 pm 
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slackkey_mike wrote:
Holy carp fellas!!! I was not trying to say ANYTHING religious! gaah

I just thought it was kind of funny given the title and the OP's user name!

You guys are a little too quick on the trigger this time.

Oh, and pardon my use of "holy" cause that too had no DEEP meaning.

Yeesh! gaah

Mike


I think Brock pulled in the reins just in time.

You have nooooo idea how many responses I was pondering (from the sarcastic mockery to downright offensive and insulting (the "get me kicked off the forum" kind of comments). I would have gotten a good laugh out of it anyway. :twisted: I might have actually posted if Brock had not come in.

Congrats on the new saw!. You mentioned blade choice for fret slots, but I've never known anyone to use a band saw for this, and don't think it would work well at all. That's typically a job for the table saw.

For general use keep 1/4" 6tpi, and 1/2" 4tpi skip tooth. I just use flexback blades, usually from Simonds or Morse. For a general use saw that may be used to cut a variety of materials at any given point, I think flexback is a good way to go. There are better blades that hold sharp longer, but general use saws are easy to abuse (at least it seems this way in my shop ;) ), so I don't like to use the more expensive blades that I'd have to swap out if I needed to cut acrylics or something. Cheap and disposable is the way to go for me.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:32 pm 
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Sorry. :oops: I did not mean to stir up something. I now know better.

I am mostly interested in saw blade info at this point. I guess I kind of blended my questions between band saw blades and table saw blades or hand saws for slotting the finger board.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:43 pm 
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Mark, you stirred nothing up. My unpardonable attempt at humor went right over the heads of some. [uncle] However, I still think it is dang funny. pfft

Glad you got an awesome gift. [clap] I definitely want a 14" bandsaw some day. A table saw too. And a casewell buffer should round it all out.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:49 pm 
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Mark,

I do not mean to be mysterious here, but have you ever read Mark 11 in the Bible?

Mike



Nice one Mike, I finally got it! laughing6-hehe


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Pat Foster wrote:
Congratulations, Mark!

But guys, we need to steer away from religious discussion here. It goes against the guidelines of the forum here (and in many others).

Pat



Come on guys!! Whats the big deal??

He just stated a fact, something that happened and he shared it with us.
Was that considered religious?? gaah
What if I said some Buddhist gave me a gift?? Lighten up....

I understand that some people are against religion but please don't stirr the pot unnecessarily....

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:14 pm 
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AndrewGribble wrote:
slackkey_mike wrote:
Mark,

I do not mean to be mysterious here, but have you ever read Mark 11 in the Bible?

Mike



Nice one Mike, I finally got it! laughing6-hehe



Right! [:Y:] Apply a little effort, put the safety on first, then try to get to the bottom of the "joke".

OK, back to building guitars...

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:18 pm 
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must..... hold...... back......


restraint............

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:31 pm 
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must..... hold...... back......


restraint............


Exactly. ;)

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:58 pm 
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For the record, I probably should have added a ;) :lol: to my post. It's all in good spirits (and by spirits, I mean the ones at the bar downstairs in my hotel. :lol: ).

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 2:32 am 
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mark11 wrote:
I have a good friend that bought me a Grizzly 14" band saw w/ a 6" extension and re-saw fence because the Lord told him to. I was blown away. PTL
I have a couple of questions.
What blade is best for re-sawing and where is the best place to buy blades?
Also, speaking a of saw blade, what saw/blade do you use to cut fret slots?
Thanks
Mark Ewing



Amazing account, thanks, that's my sorta currency! [clap]

Can't add any more to what the good guys have said on here, but will re-inforce the importance of putting a new blade on straight away and not using the preinstalled one; also that a decent bandsaw setup will save you plenty of timber.

If you can't afford the expensive blades, don't go cheap and aim for midrange brands. The blade quality is ohhh so important.....


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 3:05 am 
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Mark, I was gifted a bandsaw too, a Laguna 18".

No greater feeling than to be surprised by the generosity and love of others.

Congratulations on the saw, you'll use the fire out of it, hopefully.

I have a Delta 14 for general purpose, and use the aforementioned Olson general purpose 1/4 inch blades, cheap and last a long time.

Not too familiar with the Grizzly, it won't take you long to find it's capabilities.

Blades and saws are a real learning experience.

It's always good to ask questions.

Hey, since you are a new bandsaw owner, I recommend you go to http://www.highlandwoodworking.com and check out their great setups on Bandsaw info in their library.

http://www.highlandwoodworking.com/inde ... ustom&ID=3

There are nine excellent articles on setting up and operating bandsaws and you can print them off the pdf format.

Enjoy your new saw and your friend.

Real friends are harder to come by than bandsaws! [:Y:]

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Hey Mark, congrats!
Surprise your friend right back by building him a guitar with some wood you cut on his saw.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:09 am 
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Steve Kinnaird wrote:
Hey Mark, congrats!
Surprise your friend right back by building him a guitar with some wood you cut on his saw.

Steve


I like your suggestion. [:Y:] [:Y:] It really is "His" saw.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:34 am 
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mark11 wrote:
I like your suggestion. [:Y:] [:Y:] It really is "His" saw.



perpetuating..........

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No, I'm not posting for reasons you may think...just to say that I have the same exact setup Mike, and you'll love it! Folks made fun of my all-Grizzly shop back in the furniture building days...but I ran the bejesus out of them and they never broke on me...all the while my peers were always fixing their Delta stuff...when I downsized to fit into my new attic shop the big 'ol Grizz's had to go, but I kept the bandsaw (but getting up the stairs bought my chiropractor new patio chairs!!). Enjoy, and keep that friend forever!

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