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Author:  joel Thompson [ Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:48 pm ]
Post subject:  pentacryl
hey guys,
has anyone used this stuff,

http://www.preservation-solutions.com/c ... ry_id=1000

one of my suppliers has been using it on his snakewood to stop drying shakes and swears by it.

i must say his treated snake wood is much more stable and seems to have a finer texture than the non treated stock.
i also did an a/b bending test and the treated binding strip bent with splitting out like the non treated one did.

I am a bit wary using it for acoustic woods but it may be a great product for electric makers who like using spalted woods.
not to mention the plethora of other uses for the stuff.

The only problems i can see i,
A, it could effect the finish as there is mention of silicon there,
B, it could have an effect on the tone of the guitar somehow.

Thoughts anyone,

Joel.
Author:  Mike Collins [ Mon Sep 22, 2008 2:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: pentacryl
Silicone!!!!!!!! gaah
That nasty stuff can cause glue NOT to adhere;along with finishes
etc....
I'd stay away from it myself-just for peace of mind!!! [:Y:]

Mike
Author:  Mike OMelia [ Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: pentacryl
Sounds like a cancer causing agent. Blah.

Mike
Author:  stan thomison [ Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: pentacryl
silicone would be bad. No effect on tone I can see particularly as on binding. I bind with snakewood almost more than anything and have it on last 3 guitars and 3 now going. It is easy to work with and bend. Don't even use super soft or whatever it is called and never broke a stick
Author:  joel Thompson [ Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: pentacryl
I did some research into this and it apears that even wood turners dont like it.

but i am thinking real problem woods here.
as far as horrable punky spalted maple goes its increadably popular but even the good stuff has soft punky areas.
in this case it may be usefull.

also snake wood.
its quite probable that alot of you are using snakewood that has been treated with this stuff without even knowing it.

i get my snakewood in bulk from a guy who exports directly from surinam (i might add that most snakewood comes through him at some point).
he has been soaking wet logs in this stuff to retard the drying shakes that are i nightmare with snakewood.
The reason for this thread is to help me decide whether i should stay away from pentacryl treeted wood.

Anyone who buys a few logs of snakewood a year will tell you that wastage is huge.
it has voids through the pith and checks can radiate out of these like the spokes of a wheel.
if there is a way to stop this alot of dealers will use it as yeild is every thing with snakewood.
My point is that you can never quite what has been done to your wood before you get it.

If it was'nt for the fact that its such a good binding wood i would not bother with the stuff becouse its just such a pain.

I think i will stay away from the pentacryl stuff but i still think it could be usefull to electric guitar makers who use alot of spalted maple and burls.

But i agree as soon as silicon is mentioned its time to turn your back with regards to guitar making.

Joel.
Author:  Cartierusm [ Tue Sep 23, 2008 1:35 am ]
Post subject:  Re: pentacryl
If you're looking for stability try using Nelsonite. Takes glue and finish. It's been around forever. Pool cue makers use it to stabilize the wood. It replaces the moisture and air pockets in the pores. Although some say it's not necessary you can use a vacuum chamber to really drive it into the wood. Just take a PVC pipe and glue a cap on the bottom and put a hose fitting on the top cap and hook it up to a vacuum pump..yada yada yada.
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