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Author:  Chris Ensor [ Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:57 am ]
Post subject:  New tool from ELEVATE: the Dot Locator

I'm very excited to introduce the latest tool offering from ELEVATE: the Dot Locator. Much of late 2018 was dedicated to developing and prototyping this tool. After countless iterations, a large pile of parts that just weren't quite good enough, and some custom fixturing, I'm proud to present this beauty:

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This special little jig is used to accurately and repeatably locate and drill for dot inlays on the face of fretboards. It references both the fret slots and board taper to align your handheld drill in the perfect location.

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And it works for double dots (like the 12th fret) as well. Check out the tutorial to see how: https://elevatelutherie.com/product/dot-locator/

Author:  meddlingfool [ Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:36 pm ]
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Slick!

Author:  Joe Beaver [ Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:50 pm ]
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Very nice tool, but I have yet to use dots for some non-explicable reason. Maybe they are in my future

Author:  LarryH [ Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:04 pm ]
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Agreed, slick tool...

Author:  Mike OMelia [ Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:02 pm ]
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How many sizes can that accomodate? I like the concept. But do I have to remove to check my progress? I like 7mm dots. Does it work for that? How does it actually locate double dots?

Author:  Chris Ensor [ Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:07 pm ]
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Mike OMelia wrote:
How many sizes can that accomodate? I like the concept. But do I have to remove to check my progress? I like 7mm dots. Does it work for that? How does it actually locate double dots?


Mike,
The jig uses a hardened drill bushing to set the size of dot it can drill. The standard bushing that comes in the Dot Locator is 1/4" (6.35 mm). Though it is designed in such a way that different bushings could be used or a custom jig can be made.

To see the jig in action, check out the tutorial on my site (which shows how to locate double dots):

https://elevatelutherie.com/product/dot-locator/

Author:  SnowManSnow [ Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:42 am ]
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Mike OMelia wrote:
How many sizes can that accomodate? I like the concept. But do I have to remove to check my progress? I like 7mm dots. Does it work for that? How does it actually locate double dots?


On the double dot thing: I watched the video. It appears that if you wanted a space of 1” between them, then you place a 1” spacer on one side of the fretboard and use as normal, flip it around and do the same thing.

I also wondered about various dot sizes. I generally do 6 mm, but on double dots I do one size smaller (I feel they get bunched up).



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Author:  Chris Ensor [ Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:15 am ]
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SnowManSnow wrote:
On the double dot thing: I watched the video. It appears that if you wanted a space of 1” between them, then you place a 1” spacer on one side of the fretboard and use as normal, flip it around and do the same thing.


Exactly

SnowManSnow wrote:
I also wondered about various dot sizes. I generally do 6 mm, but on double dots I do one size smaller (I feel they get bunched up).


The drill bushing is held in the articulating clamp with a press fit. Other bushing with the same OD could be used, but it's probably worth just having a custom one made for the other size you use so as to avoid the possible damage in repeatedly pressing bushings in and out.

Author:  Greg Maxwell [ Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:34 am ]
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It seems to me that the jig could be used as sold with a 1/4" brad point bit, but drill just enough to allow the point to score the wood. Then use a drill press to drill the size holes you want.

Author:  Ruby50 [ Sat Feb 02, 2019 1:45 pm ]
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Greg

Why bother with 2 operations when a depth collar on the bit makes the depth correct. The idea of the bushing is that it lines the bit up near what a drill press would do, and being shallow, it does not have to be exact.

What if the bushing was not a press fit, but held in with a small set screw so that the bushing could easily be switched? They are made with various ID in the same OD.

Ed

Author:  Andy Birko [ Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:53 pm ]
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Very nice!

Author:  Pmaj7 [ Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:52 am ]
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Cool design and beautiful tool! Only one size guide would be the deal-breaker for me though.

Perhaps you could include 1/4 inch center punch of some kind or make a smaller guide for a small punch. Drilling is the easy part, measuring is the time consuming part if you're not using a template.

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Author:  Greg Maxwell [ Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:49 am ]
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Ruby- because the tool would quickly locate the center point.

Author:  Chris Ensor [ Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:35 am ]
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Thanks everyone for the feedback. This is all very helpful.

Author:  SnowManSnow [ Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:59 pm ]
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Pmaj7 wrote:
Cool design and beautiful tool! Only one size guide would be the deal-breaker for me though.

Perhaps you could include 1/4 inch center punch of some kind or make a smaller guide for a small punch. Drilling is the easy part, measuring is the time consuming part if you're not using a template.

New username, same Pat Mac

I agree on the size issue.
Really slick, but having different sizes would push it from “really slick” to “purchase”, at least for this hobby builder


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Author:  Chris Ensor [ Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:06 pm ]
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SnowManSnow wrote:
I agree on the size issue.
Really slick, but having different sizes would push it from “really slick” to “purchase”, at least for this hobby builder


It’s something I’ve considered. At this point, it’s simply cost prohibitive as it could easily triple to cost of the jig. Due to both the extra cost of production and the added expense of more bushings. Honestly, it may be cheaper to have a custome one made for the other size(s) you’d want other than 1/4”.

Author:  SnowManSnow [ Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:24 pm ]
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Chris Ensor wrote:
SnowManSnow wrote:
I agree on the size issue.
Really slick, but having different sizes would push it from “really slick” to “purchase”, at least for this hobby builder


It’s something I’ve considered. At this point, it’s simply cost prohibitive as it could easily triple to cost of the jig. Due to both the extra cost of production and the added expense of more bushings. Honestly, it may be cheaper to have a custome one made for the other size(s) you’d want other than 1/4”.


I’m sure it would add cost.


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Author:  WudWerkr [ Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:35 pm ]
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Bought one , very happy with the quality and ease of use . I too wondered about various sizes. Simply put its simple to use the jig to center locate and then drill on drill press for odd sizes . 1/4" is generally a good dimension for the dots .

If you REALLY need smaller , look into a small section of thin wall tube and make your own drill sleeve . There are a number of possible simple solutions . You can purchase .250 od alum tube with a .032 wall thickness that would give you .187 or 3/16" dot . 12" of the stuff is like $2.00 lol

http://www.zoro.com/zoro-select-tubing- ... /G3309455/

Author:  meddlingfool [ Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:45 pm ]
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We had a tool very similar to that at Larrivee, except it was aluminum and weighed a ton and did the whole fingerboard at once.. Instead of having a drill bushing, it had a springloaded punch in each dot position. You'd take a hammer, whack each dot position, and the board would have punches in all appropriate positions...

Author:  Clay S. [ Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:57 pm ]
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The method I use is to just draw diagonal lines from fret to adjacent fret forming an X to find the center point, use a brad point in a hand drill, and eyeball the depth. For double dots I measure to the center of the frets and make my Xs from there. Pretty low tech but fairly quick.

Author:  Chris Ensor [ Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:01 pm ]
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meddlingfool wrote:
We had a tool very similar to that at Larrivee, except it was aluminum and weighed a ton and did the whole fingerboard at once.. Instead of having a drill bushing, it had a springloaded punch in each dot position. You'd take a hammer, whack each dot position, and the board would have punches in all appropriate positions...


I've actually made a custom tool just like the one you've described. The only downside I see is that it's scale length specific.

Author:  meddlingfool [ Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:35 pm ]
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Yep, but at that time they were using 650mm exclusively. When they went CNC it became a tool that needed to be cleaned around, like the fret buck...

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