Sigh..... and I just invented the jet engine in my basement.
Bet ya those bridges will peel up just as easily as a 12 hole bridge will AND with better break angles too, now that's special....
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| Author: | Dave Livermore [ Tue Sep 27, 2022 12:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | 12 strings through 6 holes? Taylor's new bridge |
I just noticed Taylor has redesigned the 12 string bridge, essentially doing away with it, using a 6 string bridge, putting two strings in each hole and slotting the saddle to space the strings out. Has anyone check this out? How about has anyone tried it yet? Is it as simple as it looks or are there other pieces to it inside the guitar. Here's a link to a picture of it https://i.imgur.com/OiPVNdi.jpg |
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| Author: | Colleen_M [ Tue Sep 27, 2022 12:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 12 strings through 6 holes? Taylor's new bridge |
That just seems nuts. I bet it’s more complicated than it looks. And why wouldn’t the strings have a consistent break angle over the saddle with the conventional setup? |
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| Author: | meddlingfool [ Tue Sep 27, 2022 1:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 12 strings through 6 holes? Taylor's new bridge |
This ain’t new. Colleen, the front row of pins will yield a different break angle than the back row of pins… |
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| Author: | Colin North [ Tue Sep 27, 2022 1:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 12 strings through 6 holes? Taylor's new bridge |
Taylor are not the first - there was a post not so long ago covering 12 strings with 6 hole bridges which I just can't find at the moment Post on another forum here https://www.acousticguitarforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=551938 |
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| Author: | TerrenceMitchell [ Tue Sep 27, 2022 1:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 12 strings through 6 holes? Taylor's new bridge |
Seems like a manufacturing optimization to me. And a reminder that I'm glad I only have to deal with 6 strings. |
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| Author: | DennisK [ Tue Sep 27, 2022 1:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 12 strings through 6 holes? Taylor's new bridge |
Here's one from 8 years ago:) http://www.luthiersforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=584614#p584614 I will definitely do it this way if I ever make a 12 string. Less holes in the soundboard, and less pins with their added cost and weight and fiddling-with when changing strings. |
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| Author: | J De Rocher [ Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 12 strings through 6 holes? Taylor's new bridge |
I use the two strings per hole approach on my flat top octave mandolins. Half as many holes and smaller bridge size while maintaining plenty of gluing surface area. If the holes are slotted correctly for the two strings, string changes aren't any more difficult. I don't know about inside of the Taylor 12-string, but there's nothing on the inside of my octave mandolins that's different from my guitars that have bridges with one string per hole. If I built a 12-string guitar, I would do the same. One thing I do that's different from Taylor's approach is that each string in a hole has its own ramp. This separates the strings from each other so that the saddle doesn't have to be slotted to space the strings out on the saddle. Attachment: Octave Mandolin 3.jpg
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| Author: | Powdrell1 [ Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 12 strings through 6 holes? Taylor's new bridge |
Yep.....been doing that on my 8 string ukuleles for years......probably learned about it here on OLF...... |
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| Author: | Clay S. [ Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 12 strings through 6 holes? Taylor's new bridge |
I've done it both ways - two rows of pins, or a single row with two strings per hole. when I use a single row I "V" out the string slots so the strings are properly spaced and the ball ends don't interfere with each other as J mentioned. Either way works fine, but as Dennis mentioned - less holes in a highly stressed area. |
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| Author: | Hesh [ Wed Sep 28, 2022 3:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 12 strings through 6 holes? Taylor's new bridge |
Sigh..... and I just invented the jet engine in my basement. Bet ya those bridges will peel up just as easily as a 12 hole bridge will AND with better break angles too, now that's special....
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| Author: | Mark Mc [ Wed Sep 28, 2022 6:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 12 strings through 6 holes? Taylor's new bridge |
Yes, the two-strings-in-the-same-hole trick has been around for decades. I also have done it on an octave mandolin. Very easy to achieve just by cutting two slots in the front of the hole and using a non-slotted pin. Like Dennis said, it means the bridge can be less massive and there are fewer holes drilled through the top. |
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| Author: | Hesh [ Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 12 strings through 6 holes? Taylor's new bridge |
I'm not sure a less massive bridge on a 12 is desirable.... Gluing foot print is even more important on a 12 which is why they are typically larger than a 6 string bridge. |
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| Author: | johnparchem [ Thu Sep 29, 2022 9:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 12 strings through 6 holes? Taylor's new bridge |
That is what I do on the 12 string falcate braced guitars. The braces interfere with 12 holes. I first saw this in the Aussie forum Attachment: DSC00214 small.JPG Attachment: DSC00218 small.JPG
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| Author: | Woodie G [ Thu Sep 29, 2022 11:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 12 strings through 6 holes? Taylor's new bridge |
Martin's D12 David Crosby artist model twelve-string with six-hole bridge was based on the D-18 which Mr. Crosby had renecked and converted to a 12 string in 1964 while he was with the Byrds so as to have a Martin-branded 12 string. This was well before the D12-20 became available in late 1964 or the D12-35 in 1965. I don't have the custom Martin model reference book at hand, but IIRC, the guitar duplicated the 1964 conversion to a degree, including the bridge configuration and maple neck (???), but added a 45-Style rosette and some model-specific inlay. We had one of these in for work well before the pandemic, but I don't recall anything remarkable beyond the odd bridge configuration and the sailing ship inlay (I actually recall the inlay, but not exact location... possibly peghead?). |
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| Author: | Colin North [ Fri Sep 30, 2022 6:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 12 strings through 6 holes? Taylor's new bridge |
Yes, headstock https://reverb.com/uk/item/41398183-martin-d12-david-crosby-special-edition-2009-vintage-amber |
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| Author: | Chris Pile [ Fri Sep 30, 2022 8:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 12 strings through 6 holes? Taylor's new bridge |
This isn't quite the same... I converted a small guitar into a dulcitar - guitar strung in dulcimer tuning. I didn't want to redrill the bridge, so I added brass pins to aid in string spacing. The nut was also recut for string spacing. This basically yielded a convertible instrument. I can restring it as a guitar, or play it like this (which is pretty fun). You have to pay attention when stringing it because of the crossover at the bridge. https://imgur.com/3hIp9yK |
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| Author: | J De Rocher [ Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 12 strings through 6 holes? Taylor's new bridge |
Chris Pile wrote: This isn't quite the same... I converted a small guitar into a dulcitar - guitar strung in dulcimer tuning. I didn't want to redrill the bridge, so I added brass pins to aid in string spacing. The nut was also recut for string spacing. This basically yielded a convertible instrument. I can restring it as a guitar, or play it like this (which is pretty fun). You have to pay attention when stringing it because of the crossover at the bridge. https://imgur.com/3hIp9yK Very clever and cool! |
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