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 Post subject: Hummingbird headstock
PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:38 am 
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So I have someone who wants to sell me a 2014 hummingbird or have me repair it. It is the classic headstock break with no wood missing. Been repaired once and didn’t take … broke again.
Provided the rest of the guitar is in good shape what would this be worth? I know it’s hard wo pics… but can someone ballpark?


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:49 am 
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To find a "ballpark" you might go to the eBay "sold" listings and see what they have been selling for. Keep in mind that eBay's ball park is a pretty big field that a lot of players use. Prices vary wildly depending on the model and condition, and who happens to be in the market at the time, but if you can find some guitars that match up with the one you are looking at it might give you a starting point to discount for the work the guitar will need, what it will be worth when the work is finished, and the desire you have to own and/or repair the guitar.
When I was buying, repairing, and selling guitars (many years ago) guitars with broken and repaired headstocks sold for a fraction of what the same guitar sold for with an unbroken headstock. If done right a good deal for the buyer, but not so good for the seller.
Unless you want a hummingbird, I would estimate the cost of the repair and let the owner decide if it is worth the money.

edit: A quick perusal of the sold listings shows a high number of those listed with repaired pegheads. [:Y:]



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:24 am 
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Clay S. wrote:
To find a "ballpark" you might go to the eBay "sold" listings and see what they have been selling for. Keep in mind that eBay's ball park is a pretty big field that a lot of players use. Prices vary wildly depending on the model and condition, and who happens to be in the market at the time, but if you can find some guitars that match up with the one you are looking at it might give you a starting point to discount for the work the guitar will need, what it will be worth when the work is finished, and the desire you have to own and/or repair the guitar.
When I was buying, repairing, and selling guitars (many years ago) guitars with broken and repaired headstocks sold for a fraction of what the same guitar sold for with an unbroken headstock. If done right a good deal for the buyer, but not so good for the seller.
Unless you want a hummingbird, I would estimate the cost of the repair and let the owner decide if it is worth the money.

edit: A quick perusal of the sold listings shows a high number of those listed with repaired pegheads. [:Y:]

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 Post subject: Hummingbird headstock
PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:49 pm 
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Clay S. wrote:
When I was buying, repairing, and selling guitars (many years ago) guitars with broken and repaired headstocks sold for a fraction of what the same guitar sold for with an unbroken headstock. If done right a good deal for the buyer, but not so good for the seller.


The growing number of hobbyists looking for a project has inflated the price of many busted up and beat down axes on eBay. In fact, I’ve had people come in with badly damaged instruments and advised them they could sell it to me for a price low enough that I can make a buck repairing it and selling it, or they could just list it on eBay as a “project” and get 70% of the value of an undamaged example.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 2:38 am 
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Poor prior work is not ideal for a solid new repair OR gaining experience with headstock repairs in general. We will at times turn away headstock breaks because the last person who took it on essentially destroyed the instrument with poor..... prior.... work.

It's much easier to take a fresh/new break that has been unadulterated by anyone's perhaps poor choice of glue and lack of knowledge about these breaks, glue, clamping, etc.

There are exceptions where it breaks somewhere else the next time and the original repair is sound and then it's something that we will take a look at and maybe take it in. But in general someone who calls us and tells us that a prior headstock repair break and repair has again failed will hear from us on the phone that their expectations should be set pretty low for if we take it on but we are willing to take a look if they are willing to bring it in.

None of this is to say that it can't be fixed. But all of this is to say that it may result in major scope creep and a much larger, more involved job with more finish touch-up than meets the eye. It's not fun work either and can be a long slog....

Some guitar repairs are like that dime sized spot that looked easy to sand out and when you are done you have a softball sized spot that does not match.... They are to be avoided if you guarantee your work, value your time and pay your bills.... A commercial perspective for you Snow;)

Nonetheless you will receive lots of suggestions even when no one including me has had any opportunity to see what we are even speaking of.... I would proceed with caution and also ask yourself if you want a wounded Hummingbird or want to have to flip it to recover what may end up being a massive personal investment.

This reminds me to put my feeders out in a few weeks my Hummers are usually here May 15th and hungry too. ;)


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