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Author:  sdsollod [ Fri Dec 01, 2023 10:17 am ]
Post subject:  New Toy

Gotta new 14" bandsaw, a Rikon 10-324TG. I love it! I managed without it, but it will open up more capabilty in my shop. It sure is nice to be able to re-saw. I found this 8/4 cherry board that is riddled with figure. I setup and adjusted the saw and let'r rip.

Author:  bcombs510 [ Fri Dec 01, 2023 10:23 am ]
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Nice! I have the previous model and have enjoyed it. I pair it with the woodslicer blades from Highland for resaw. It’s a good middle ground cost / performance and I can get decent yield.

I think your version has the quick adjust bearings, mine did not. However I replaced the bearings with these based on a recommendation from Michael Colbert and they are great. Easy enough to adjust and kinder to the blade than the bearings were - https://www.spaceageceramics.com

Last thing - I bought these recently for both of my bandsaws (14” and 10”). They are awesome and do work. I thought for sure it was a gimmick, and it might be, but they are working for me. :) - https://www.eztension.com/buy-one-now/e ... tification

Brad


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Author:  John A [ Fri Dec 01, 2023 10:24 am ]
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That's a nice looking set. Resawing is fun - makes you find wood and get more creative. My saw can only do 6" width - so I have have to plan a lot of 3 piece or 4 piece backs.

Author:  sdsollod [ Fri Dec 01, 2023 10:47 am ]
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Thanks for the tips Brad. Could you take a quick photo of your guide bearings? Are you using flat or round? Do the round ones rotate?

Author:  sdsollod [ Fri Dec 01, 2023 11:01 am ]
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I was doing 3-piece backs when I found a board I wanted to use. I would run the board through my table saw, turn it over and run it through again and then use a hand saw or recipricating saw to cut what was left. That sucked! pfft No more! bliss Here is an example where I built the entire guitar out of one board (except the top, of course).

https://www.swiftcreekguitars.com/maple-om.html

Author:  bcombs510 [ Fri Dec 01, 2023 11:29 am ]
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sdsollod wrote:
Thanks for the tips Brad. Could you take a quick photo of your guide bearings? Are you using flat or round? Do the round ones rotate?

This is what I have. You might shoot them a mail because it looks like they have new products since I ordered these.

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Author:  ballbanjos [ Fri Dec 01, 2023 12:29 pm ]
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bcombs510 wrote:
Last thing - I bought these recently for both of my bandsaws (14” and 10”). They are awesome and do work. I thought for sure it was a gimmick, and it might be, but they are working for me. :) - https://www.eztension.com/buy-one-now/e ... tification

Brad


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+1 on the Eztension. Those things work great.

Dave

Author:  meddlingfool [ Fri Dec 01, 2023 2:13 pm ]
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5 slices per inch or bust!

Author:  bcombs510 [ Fri Dec 01, 2023 2:28 pm ]
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meddlingfool wrote:
5 slices per inch or bust!

I get that but after ~15 slices I’m changing blades. :D


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Author:  meddlingfool [ Fri Dec 01, 2023 4:18 pm ]
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Really? After only 15 cuts? The Laguna Resaw King perform substantially better than that and runs on 14” wheels…

Author:  bcombs510 [ Fri Dec 01, 2023 4:58 pm ]
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Depends on the material but 15-20 would be my estimate, I’ve never really counted super closely.

Yes, but I can get 4 of the woodslicer blades for the cost of a resaw king. Of course the resaw king can be sharpened so long run it would have to work out better I assume. I don’t know what it costs to have it sharpened.

But for what I do quantity wise the woodslicer is perfect. :)


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Author:  bobgramann [ Fri Dec 01, 2023 6:11 pm ]
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When I had a 14” saw, I used the woodslicer blades to cut Osage Orange. I could cut about 15 feet before the blade had to be resharpened. I could sharpen the blade 3 times before the geometry was ruined and I had to start a new blade. I upgraded to a Rikon 18” saw and a Woodmaster CT blade. The carbide blades often last me more than a year. I have no idea how far I cut in a year. The downside is the wider kerf—almost 1/16”, but it’s worth a little waste not to have to replace the blade so often. I don’t know how the carbide blade would work on a 14” saw.

My old 14” saw (a Delta clone) doesn’t compare well to your new Rikon. The cast frame was fairly flexible making a heavy cut difficult. I let the smoke out of the first motor. When I upgraded to a 1 hp motor, the frame complained under the load. Moving to a bigger saw helped a lot.

Author:  meddlingfool [ Fri Dec 01, 2023 8:10 pm ]
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I think the RK blade is the only one that can run on 14” wheels…

Author:  bionta [ Fri Dec 01, 2023 8:37 pm ]
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Timberwolf has a “veneer cutting blade” that works great on my Delta 14” saw (with riser block). I’ve only made a few resaw cuts with it so far but already I’ve had better results than I got with the wood slicer. Caveat: maybe I just did a better job of saw setup this time around, but in any case, I like the Timberwolf blade.

ttps://www.timberwolfblades.com/proddet ... od=1234VPC

Author:  bcombs510 [ Fri Dec 01, 2023 8:50 pm ]
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bionta wrote:
Timberwolf has a “veneer cutting blade” that works great on my Delta 14” saw (with riser block). I’ve only made a few resaw cuts with it so far but already I’ve had better results than I got with the wood slicer. Caveat: maybe I just did a better job of saw setup this time around, but in any case, I like the Timberwolf blade.

ttps://www.timberwolfblades.com/proddet ... od=1234VPC


Link doesn’t seem to work, missing the hyper ;). Is it this one? https://www.timberwolfblades.com/prodde ... od=1234VPC


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Author:  meddlingfool [ Fri Dec 01, 2023 8:51 pm ]
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I think I should have said only carbide one…

Author:  bionta [ Fri Dec 01, 2023 9:11 pm ]
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bcombs510 wrote:
bionta wrote:
Timberwolf has a “veneer cutting blade” that works great on my Delta 14” saw (with riser block). I’ve only made a few resaw cuts with it so far but already I’ve had better results than I got with the wood slicer. Caveat: maybe I just did a better job of saw setup this time around, but in any case, I like the Timberwolf blade.

ttps://www.timberwolfblades.com/proddet ... od=1234VPC


Link doesn’t seem to work, missing the hyper ;). Is it this one? https://www.timberwolfblades.com/prodde ... od=1234VPC


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Sorry - sloppy cut/paste. You’ve got the correct link. Thanks for the correction.

Author:  jfmckenna [ Fri Dec 01, 2023 10:31 pm ]
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Nice saw and beautiful cherry wood. I love that wood for guitars.

I guess I need to think about sharpening my blades. I've run way more than 15 feet through mine that's for sure.

Author:  CarlD [ Sat Dec 02, 2023 12:11 pm ]
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How do you sharpen them? Dremel in a jig? Send them off to someone?

Author:  bobgramann [ Sat Dec 02, 2023 2:28 pm ]
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I think Alan Carruth explained this many years ago, so if I get this wrong, maybe he’ll come in and correct me. I sharpen the bimetal, thin kerf blades on the saw (unplugged, of course). Lift the guide to expose as much blade as possible. Mark the blade so you know when you’ve gone all the way around. What you want to do is make the very tip of the blade sharp again. I use the abrasive disk on a Dremel freehand with no jig. Each tooth has set—it’s bent slightly to one side or the other. As you’re facing the saw, you’ll cut the top of the tooth perpendicular to that set so that the dull tip is cut back until it’s sharp. It takes just a touch on each tooth to do this. If you mess up the angles, the blade will curve to one side or the other when it’s cutting. It’s pretty easy to advance the blade by hand to expose the next few teeth. Doing the whole blade takes very few minutes.

Since you’re shortening the tooth, after about three resharpenings the gullet starts to be reduced so that the blade can’t carry away the sawdust as well and cuts badly. But, you’ve saved yourself from buying 3 blades by then.

I haven’t tried resharpening a carbide blade yet. My Woodmaster CT (Lenox) doesn’t have a set. The kerf is formed by the attached carbide tips which are wider than the blade. These blades last so long that I figure they don’t owe me anything and I just replace them when the cut starts going awry.

Author:  meddlingfool [ Sat Dec 02, 2023 2:33 pm ]
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I send out. Laguna used to do it themselves but now they don’t, I think the last time I had it done local it was 70CAD per. Each RK blade can be sharpened 4 times. When I bought them they were 250CAD. I’d say I’m ten year in on the blades and only on the second resharpened one. I bought 4. The RK blade resides as a permanent resident on my SUV and now 90% of my straight cuts are done with it…

Author:  Pmaj7 [ Sun Dec 03, 2023 11:33 pm ]
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bionta wrote:
Timberwolf has a “veneer cutting blade” that works great on my Delta 14” saw (with riser block). I’ve only made a few resaw cuts with it so far but already I’ve had better results than I got with the wood slicer. Caveat: maybe I just did a better job of saw setup this time around, but in any case, I like the Timberwolf blade.

ttps://www.timberwolfblades.com/proddet ... od=1234VPC
What kind of actual kerf are you getting with that blade?

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Author:  bionta [ Mon Dec 04, 2023 1:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New Toy

Pmaj7 wrote:
bionta wrote:
Timberwolf has a “veneer cutting blade” that works great on my Delta 14” saw (with riser block). I’ve only made a few resaw cuts with it so far but already I’ve had better results than I got with the wood slicer. Caveat: maybe I just did a better job of saw setup this time around, but in any case, I like the Timberwolf blade.

ttps://www.timberwolfblades.com/proddet ... od=1234VPC
What kind of actual kerf are you getting with that blade?

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I didn't measure and I have a different blade on the saw right now, but I'd say it was just about the same as the kerf with the 1/2" Woodslicer of similar specs.

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