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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2005 2:56 am 
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That seems to make much more sense to me Mario rather than just
blaming it on the tuners. The tuners are pretty darn nice I think. I dig
the banjo tuners on vintage style guitars, and yeah those pegheads would
look cool on an OM. I know a guy who uses them on ukes and they look
groovy...

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Yeah, most poeple don't realize that the 5th string on a banjo is a drone, most often used with a matching string. Changing keys means re-tuning the drone string(s).

Guitar players have it easy <bg>


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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2005 4:47 am 
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[QUOTE=CarltonM] Hearing that MP3, I was reminded of what we're missing in many modern instruments. That thing has a sound like a lover's whisper. Those sweet overtones just seem to resonate unlike anything else.
Carlton[/QUOTE]

Well, if someone said that about an instrument I built, I wouldn't care if it could not be heard past the 1st row, 5 feet away. I would be more than content.

Carlton you summed up my feelings with your poetic description.

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Okay, okay!!! I surrender! I didn't really want to turn this into a discussion on banjos, either, 'cause I don't know that much about them (as is painfully apparent), and I've never played one. The point I was really trying to make is that people have put banjo tuners on guitars just so they can have the freedom to profile their headstocks however they want. It seems like a good solution, but, for me, their 4:1 ratio just isn't precise enough. In fact, I'm constantly annoyed by the imprecision of 12:1 tuners--when I get to the lowest two strings, I constantly find myself fiddling back and forth way too much just to get them to pitch, because a tiny turn of the knob has too much effect on the string. I'm not alone in this; I see it again and again with other players, too, and it shouldn't have to be that way. Manufacturers have finally figured that out, and are now making gears with 16, 18, 20 and even 40:1 ratios. That's great, but what I'm asking for is tuners that mount like banjo gears, but have those generous ratios, are lightweight (very important!), and don't cost anywhere NEAR $100-plus. Something like the Grover 18:1 open-gears, but rear-mounting. Then poor luthiers (and their buyers) could afford to build acoustic and electric guitars with freely-shaped headstocks, AND gain the benefits of having back-pointing knobs, which, as a player, I've always found to be much easier to access than the standard solid-headstock style. Those Peghead gears look promising. Now, if he can just give us at LEAST a 16:1 ratio....

Steve & Jeff...Thanks for the comments.

Carlton


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Umm, as a player first, luthier second, I've been lobying for the return to 8:1 gears on the Waverly machines <g>

Honest! a good machine works beautifully with an 8:1 ratio, and you don't wear out your wrist spinning the dang thing all day getting the strings to pitch.

Grab a pre war dread with its original machines in great condition, and you'll see what I mean.

The precision is not in the ratio, it's in the quality of the machine itself, and to an even greater extent, in the setup. A good bone or ivory nut makes a world of a difference over a plastic(even Corian and such) nut.Mario38495.9090972222


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Mario...Interesting. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. That's what makes the world so interesting!

Carlton
P.S. I wish I COULD grab a pre-war dread!


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