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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 5:00 am 
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I was talking with Woolson the other day and he mentioned that I had been very quiet on the forum, that's true but I've not been idle. Since moving to Idaho we have been working on the new house, getting settled in and planning and working on the shop...

So I figured before Bruce Dickey started asking if I was dead I should post a quick update!!

We laid out the plans for the shop and started working towards getting everything done, the hardest part has been finding reliable contractors to do the various pieces of work that need to be done. They tell you they will be there one day and then call a week later wondering if your still interested!!, finally after some searching we started getting things done.

* First I had the current outlets in the shop expanded to look like this (this was based on a suggestion Bruce had made to me):



There are four of those around the shop, then I had the electrician wire in 220 for the tools, we ended up with jacks like this:



Those are 220V single jacks that have a horizontal slot so there is NO way you can plug a 110 device into them, they have their own breaker. I can't imagine not running my tools on anything but 220 now, while I'm not building guitars I have been working on other things and the difference is night and day...

Next we installed lighting, after lots of research I ended up with this setup:



There are 8 pairs of 75W 8 Foot lights in the shop, the first time I turned it on it was like walking into the outdoors, at first we thought it was TOO bright but now that I've had the chance to do some work in it I'm not changing a thing. There are no shadows, I can see everything and only need my little lamps for intricate detail work, everything else these lights cover, it was a good investment.

I changed the old door to one that opens outward, added a window so I could let fresh air in and Voila!!. The door no longer opens into my tools, You have to add special hinges so creeps can't take the door off but it was pretty easy to do.





Now for the fun stuff, we had a shed built to house the Dust Collector, air compressor, wood and solvents (paints etc). The *plan* was to fit it into a little alcove next the garage, the end result was that we mis-communicated and I ended up with a monster:





To be fair it's a very nice shed, but I'm going to have to add a gable to that roof to make it fit. I've already got 220 and 110 outlet boxes ready for it, so it's just a matter of doing some custom roofing. We are going to finish the inside where the wood will be and seal it up to like a hotbox for wood storage, the other side will house the mechanicals.

After talking to Woolson about his shop I ordered a Tempest Dust Collector from Penn State, it should be here later this month, we intend on plumbing the whole shop with ductwork. I don't know WHY but I trust Paul so when he say's his dust collector really sucks

The shop is still a mess, but it's getting better every day, the tools are all in position and hooked up. We are about %80 of way done with construction, the last big thing on our list now is building storage into the shop for jigs and other things and then deciding the new workbench plans, for now the old one will be fine to get me going.

I have also at the same time all this is happening have taken the full plunge into the world of CNC, I spent time researching and doing lot's of reading. I ended up buying this machine: K-2 CNC Machine



I was faced with two options for CNC, go the DIY route or pay the $$$ for one already built. These guys had good comparable prices and have been very easy to work with, this is the single biggest purchase for the shop I have ever made, after a lot of thinking I decided I would rather buy something from a company that has worked out the kinks instead of going DIY and having to build 2 or 3 revisions to get it right.

They spent a good deal of time on the phone with me going over what I wanted to do and had some really good suggestions about how to do things like make parts much more effeciently. I just dropped half down and should have the machine in a couple of weeks, then I have to learn Rhino Cad/Cam (doing that now) and convert my current Turbo-Cad drawings. I plan on making parts, jigs, inlays, rosettes, briges and possibly neck blanks with the machine. My goal is for things like making a mortise and tenon to remove me as much as possible from the picture so I can get consistent results. I can do that now but it requires so much time, with this I can set it up and go work on something else....

I will be posting pictures and information about the setup once I get the machine up and running, that's still a bit away's. I haven't even built a computer for it yet

Just found out about the GAL convention in Tacoma, We are going for sure, is anyone else going or showing there??

Cheers

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Great hearing from you, Paul. The shop looks great...a testimony to your having taken the time to plan logically.

Looking forward to having you chiming in a little more frequently.

Best wishes.

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Good to hear from ya, Paul. Looks like the work is starting to pay off. Shouldn`t you be getting those spuds planted, though? Good Friday is comin` up pretty soon!

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Paul,

You're slackin', buddy. Get busy!

So, when do get to start using that beautiful shop for guitars?

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Hi Paul

I don't know if it is the same over in the US(not sure how many hertz your electricity runs at), but when using large amounts of strip lights like you have there there can be a strobe effect, that makes spinning saw blades etc look stationary when they are in fact in full flight, the way to overcome this is to tape the first two inches of the tube at either end. The shop looks wonderful.


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Patriot Guitars has gone ULTRA high tech. We want to see this little puppy more often! Glad you are not dead.

Am I the only one here that has considered building their own coffin? I'm considering Master Grade KOA. Maybe I should have started a new thread? Glad you are still kicking Paul. You'll be kicking out a bunch of guitars with that cheater 'chine of yours!

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I can't wait to get building again, since my time off (6 months now). I've had time to read, study and reflect, I'm not getting any younger to I refuse to start building until the shop has a fully functional dust collection system up and running. It's just not worth the risk, if I want to keep building then simply put I have to protect my lungs as best I can, I will also no longer be finishing my own work but sending it out.

Russel the only thing I have noticed so far is some humming, nothing too much but I have seen no strobing as of yet, those fixtures where not cheap and I'll be pretty mad if they start acting up like that.

Now as for a casket, there's just something a little too morose about those plans

And there aint no cheatin in using a CNC, it's just a tool, I still have to fit and tweak the final results

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Hi Paul

It only occures when the revolutions that the a blade is say spinning, somehow (I'm a great scientist) come into sync with the Cycles in the current, I've seen it twice once on a large cross cut saw, and on a small chop saw I have. The blade looked like it was motionless when in fact it was spinning, ok you can hear it, but with ear defenders on or in a two man shop a potential hazard. If you haven't seen it with your kit chances are it won't happen.


Can't wait to see the guitars coming out of that shop, you were making some awesome stuff before, but with your new shop, I'm glad I'm this side of the atlantic


Are you going full time ?


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Hi Paul, thanks for the promised pics of your gigantic and so neat shop! WOW, now let's talk about room to move around freely, i feel great energy coming from your place! Thanks for sharing this with us and can't wait to see your future builds!

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