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| Author: | Chrisk [ Mon Feb 05, 2007 6:44 am ] |
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While reading some old GAL Quarterlies (One of the benefits of a bad long term memory. New information every year!)I came across an interview with Jean Larivee. He stated that it was beneficial to leave the interior of a guitar rough as opposed to sanding it smooth. He claimed it was better for tone. Anyone else have an opinion, one way or another? Chris Koos Normal, IL |
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| Author: | K.O. [ Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:06 am ] |
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I have heard of those that believe sanding the top rather than scraping it will dampen it because it forces sanding dust into the wood. |
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| Author: | Dave White [ Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:17 am ] |
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[QUOTE=K.O.] I have heard of those that believe sanding the top rather than scraping it will dampen it because it forces sanding dust into the wood.[/QUOTE] Yes but I believe that if you stand on one leg while sanding the top, you create enough disturbance in the local magnetic field to counteract this damping. |
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| Author: | TonyKarol [ Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:20 am ] |
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Yeah, and because I have music in my viens, I believe its good to spill a little blood on a guitar here and there as well 
I dont know one way or the other, but other than sanding braces with 220, I dont really get to concerned if the insides are better than 100-150 grit. BTW .. I built my first few right off the info in that article, thats GAL 26 right ??? |
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| Author: | burbank [ Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:47 am ] |
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Well Tony, if that info helped get you where you are today, I'll be getting that article! |
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| Author: | K.O. [ Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:28 am ] |
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Dave that mojo only works near Stonehenge. Tony I would be willing to tune down half a step and try to play from my sons Youthanasia songbook till me fingers bleed to learn from ya. Me I can't do the same thing twice so I am lucky its not to hard to get decent result. |
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| Author: | Chrisk [ Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:49 am ] |
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Tony, Issue 26 was the one. Seems I'm not the only one digging in the archives. Chris Koos Normal, IL |
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| Author: | Arnt Rian [ Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:04 am ] |
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I wonder why he said it then. A joke? It is one of these things you hear from time to time; how the fuzzy interior makes the top "think" it is thicker when it really is very thin, how some of the "golden era" Martins have table saw marks still visible some place inside, and that this roughness contributes to the tone in a good way... Myth, or is there something to it? |
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| Author: | JohnAbercrombie [ Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:31 am ] |
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[QUOTE=Arnt] I wonder why he said it then. A joke? [/QUOTE] That's a great article in #26 (BigRedBook 3#,pg 37)- gonna read it again tonight. re: Non-smooth interiors-I don't care if it's a myth or not- it's going to be my standard rationale whenever somebody spots a 'tool mark' inside one of my guitars! 
I'm also a big believer in pencil lines inside the box as well- I think the slippery graphite...oh, never mind... Cheers John |
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| Author: | TonyKarol [ Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:45 am ] |
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when I first joined the GAL in like 90 or something, I bought all the back issues that had anything Larrivee in them - that one had all the goods, pattern, numbers - all I needed was a body shape - quick trip ot the local guit shop to get that !!! It was a cutaway too .. |
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| Author: | Arnt Rian [ Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:56 am ] |
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Keep on working on that theory, Todd! 
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| Author: | Howard Klepper [ Mon Feb 05, 2007 2:16 pm ] |
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I always thought it was the glue squeeze-out that gives those guitars the magical vintage tone. |
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| Author: | Billy T [ Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:56 pm ] |
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[QUOTE]Yes but I believe that if you stand on one leg while sanding the top, you create enough disturbance in the local magnetic field to counteract this damping.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure, you have to stand with both feet off the ground, to counter most, but of course, not all, gravitational animated pectrons[1]. Not being influenced directly by the mass of the planet, thus avoiding the window of vulnerablity (WOV)[2]. [1]Animated Pectron Avoidance, by Gerd N. Fugmarphini Pendant Publishing ISBN 12223232-b [2]The Lorax, by Dr. Suess, Theodor Seuss Geisel New York: Random House, 1971. National Council for the Social Studies Notable Children's Trade Book / Social Studies ISBN 0-394-82337-0 |
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| Author: | Colin S [ Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:33 pm ] |
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I tried to find a photo of the squeezeout inside a vintage Martin, but the only ones I can find you can't see the squeezout for the fluffy dust! Now maybe that's why vintage Martins sound so good, it's the fluffy dust, and the little 'tone balls' rolling around inside. Maybe we should reverse the flow on the dust collector into the sound hole and put a nice coating of fluff on the inside of new guitars, instant ageing! Colin |
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| Author: | Joel [ Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:15 pm ] |
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A friend of mine once told me that dancing around your guitar by the light of a full moon in nothing but a silver boob tube and fishnet stockings would improve the sound of the guitar by mythic proportions. |
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| Author: | K.O. [ Tue Feb 06, 2007 2:41 am ] |
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I have heard something similar here but it also involved drinking cougar pi** I imagine since you Aussies are upside down Roo dew would work. |
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| Author: | Anthony Z [ Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:17 am ] |
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Chris I remember reading the article in a Big Red Book as well and recall his talking about roughness. Wouldn’t a rough interior inhibit a good glue joint especially for braces? Another thing I thought was interesting is that Larivee said that they join all there backs with CA. |
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| Author: | Dave Rickard [ Tue Feb 06, 2007 5:05 am ] |
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[QUOTE=JohnAbercrombie] I'm also a big believer in pencil lines inside the box as well- I think the slippery graphite...oh, never mind... Cheers John [/QUOTE] I always put random pencil lines inside my builds to to confuse the curious
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| Author: | Howard Klepper [ Tue Feb 06, 2007 5:08 am ] |
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True story: repairman I know had an old guitar in the shop and while working on it vacuumed out the old dust bunnies. Owner was furious; said those dust bunnies went back to pre-war. |
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| Author: | Serge Poirier [ Tue Feb 06, 2007 10:38 am ] |
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[QUOTE=Dave White] [QUOTE=K.O.] I have heard of those that believe sanding the top rather than scraping it will dampen it because it forces sanding dust into the wood.[/QUOTE] Yes but I believe that if you stand on one leg while sanding the top, you create enough disturbance in the local magnetic field to counteract this damping.[/QUOTE] I'll have to get up early to come up with such science!
Good one Dave! 
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| Author: | Martin Turner [ Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:09 am ] |
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[QUOTE=Dave White] Yes but I believe that if you stand on one leg while sanding the top, you create enough disturbance in the local magnetic field to counteract this damping.[/QUOTE] Right leg improves bass response while left leg is better for enhanced treble. |
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| Author: | KiwiCraig [ Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:14 pm ] |
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[/QUOTE] I always put random pencil lines inside my builds to to confuse the curious [/QUOTE]
Ahh Yes Dave ! I haven't forgotten . A great tip .
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| Author: | Kim [ Tue Feb 06, 2007 5:49 pm ] |
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[QUOTE=Joel] A friend of mine once told me that dancing around your guitar by the light of a full moon in nothing but a silver boob tube and fishnet stockings would improve the sound of the guitar by mythic proportions.[/QUOTE] This is ridiculous nonsense. To attempt such a ritual without the aid of high heels, suspenders and a Carmen Miranda Fruit Hat would be a complete and utter waste of time. Some people have no idea 
Cheers Kim |
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