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| Author: | LarryH [ Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:14 am ] |
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Put some Z-Poxy on my Redwood top and it came real dark. I'm thinkin Z-Poxy's ability to 'pop' the grain can also do some real darkening when it comes to redwood. Bottom line is I am not very happy with the tone and have entertained removing the finish but shudder to think of the consequences should that go wrong. Anyone taken such a drastic measure before? And then perhaps a waterborne sealer or shellac? 
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| Author: | JJ Donohue [ Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:18 am ] |
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It will come off with scraping and sanding. It may, however have penetrated to some extent and permanently changed the tint. How thick is the top? |
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| Author: | Brock Poling [ Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:20 am ] |
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How do you know what the tone is before you get finish and strings on it. I say march forward. I think it looks great. |
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| Author: | Shawn [ Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:23 am ] |
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When you say "not happy with the tone" are you talking about the dark tone (color) of the wood or the tap tone you are hearing? Color is very subjective...Alot of people like a dark top, especially when it is Redwood such as a sinker Redwood...it is rarely lighter and can be very dark. Western Red Cedar can get very dark with some tops looking like chocolate. If the tone is the sound you are hearing understand that epoxy needs time to fully cure and the sound is dampened until it is cured. |
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| Author: | LarryH [ Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:34 am ] |
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Sorry, the tone I'm talking about is the color tone and it seems that any finish I put on from here will accentuate the current color tone - not change it appreciably. Not sure how thick the top is - I think it started at .012 but I've thinned it a bit from surface prep. Not sure what I'll do at this point. |
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| Author: | Dave Rector [ Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:37 am ] |
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[QUOTE=LarryH]Not sure how thick the top is - I think it started at .012[/QUOTE] I'm guessing that you meant .120, right? 
I agree with Brock, it looks fine to me. |
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| Author: | LarryH [ Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:43 am ] |
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Yeah .120. |
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| Author: | JJ Donohue [ Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:45 am ] |
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The top 2 pics look a lot better than the final 3. If it is closer in tint to the first 2, I agree that it looks great. Keep the faith, Larry...this isn't a big deal IMO. |
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| Author: | Bill Greene [ Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:46 am ] |
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I not only agree, I think it's gorgeous. "Dark" is EXACTLY what I would want - and I'm not saying that to make you feel better. That's a beautiful guitar. In fact, like Shawn mentioned, I bought a very special "chocolate" cedar top not long ago that I plan to use one day. Talk about dark...can't wait. Bill |
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| Author: | peterm [ Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:02 am ] |
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I like the way it looks!! If you aren't happy with the tone go ahead and remove it.... but I think it rocks! |
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| Author: | LanceK [ Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:03 am ] |
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I agree Larry, March forward! I used Zpoxy on a Redwood top and also on the Coco back and sides and it popped the grain and darkened it just as your did. |
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| Author: | LarryH [ Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:11 am ] |
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[QUOTE=JJ Donohue] The top 2 pics look a lot better than the final 3. If it is closer in tint to the first 2, I agree that it looks great. Keep the faith, Larry...this isn't a big deal IMO.[/QUOTE] I agree JJ, but the tone is much closer to the final 3 and tough to get a true pic up on the web. Has sort of a dark almost dirty look to it. I'm assuming that will change as the finish coats go on but taking off the Z-Poxy seems like a drastic step and will need a LOT of thought before going down that road. |
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| Author: | RobertJeffery [ Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:28 am ] |
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I Like It! What ever you did, keep it up! It looks great! |
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| Author: | peterm [ Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:05 pm ] |
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Hesh, I'm with you..... and I do like the darker look! 
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| Author: | LarryH [ Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:16 pm ] |
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Beautiful guitars you guys. Hesh those flames are awesome. Peter it looks like I copied your rosette - beautiful job. Thanks so much for those pictures! Let's me see so many more possibilities. Onward I go with that 50/50 mix you mentioned. |
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| Author: | Billy T [ Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:16 pm ] |
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I go wih Brock and everybody else on this, it looks great. Hesh's and Peter's SB's are a lot darker than your's and thet're gorgeous too! |
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| Author: | Bill Greene [ Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:18 pm ] |
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Peter it is possible that is one of the most beautiful guitars I've ever seen. I like every single thing about that box. Simply stunning! |
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| Author: | peterm [ Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:23 pm ] |
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[QUOTE=LarryH] Peter it looks like I copied your rosette - beautiful job. [/QUOTE] Rosette, bidings and purflings too!
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| Author: | peterm [ Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:27 pm ] |
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[QUOTE=Hesh1956] [QUOTE=Bill Greene] Peter it is possible that is one of the most beautiful guitars I've ever seen. I like every single thing about that box. Simply stunning![/QUOTE] I'm with Bill Peter, your guitar is awesome!!!!!  [/QUOTE]
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| Author: | Cocephus [ Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:31 pm ] |
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Go on with it, Larry! It looks great. Peter`s rosette really sets it off. Errr, is it yours?
Sometimes great minds think alike. Coe |
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| Author: | peterm [ Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:36 pm ] |
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[QUOTE=peterm] [QUOTE=Hesh1956] [QUOTE=Bill Greene] Peter it is possible that is one of the most beautiful guitars I've ever seen. I like every single thing about that box. Simply stunning![/QUOTE] I'm with Bill Peter, your guitar is awesome!!!!! [/QUOTE] [/QUOTE]
Where's the edit button?? 
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| Author: | LarryH [ Sun Feb 11, 2007 1:13 pm ] |
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[QUOTE=peterm] [QUOTE=peterm] [QUOTE=Hesh1956] [QUOTE=Bill Greene] Peter it is possible that is one of the most beautiful guitars I've ever seen. I like every single thing about that box. Simply stunning![/QUOTE] I'm with Bill Peter, your guitar is awesome!!!!! [/QUOTE] [/QUOTE]
Where's the edit button?? [/QUOTE]
Over Here |
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| Author: | peterm [ Sun Feb 11, 2007 1:23 pm ] |
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I guess I missed that all together....
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