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Author: | Serge Poirier [ Sat Feb 17, 2007 6:38 pm ] |
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You might want to get yourself a good cup of coffee and watch this documentary. Please watch when you're children are asleep. Am i alone to see this stuff? I am not posting this to put fears into your hearts nor your mind but i will admit that i'm deeply concerned for our future considering the drop of spiritual and moral values in our modern societies. I'm also doing this because i care about each and everyone of my bros and sisters here, no matter what you believe in. Mercury, Autism and the Global Vaccine Agenda By posting this, i do not wish to engage in any type of debate whatsoever that would be based on religions or ethics with no one. The conclusions will be yours and i will respect everyone's beliefs, my choice was already made to turn to Christ a while ago, i just hope you know about His love for us too. Regards Serge |
Author: | robertD [ Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:05 am ] |
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Serge buddy, I have very mixed feelings about this. First, I don’t have the educational background to make a fair assessment of what I’ve just seen and heard. A lot of the data presented requires an understanding in many areas of science. Areas of which I am familiar with, but, not well versed. I would need to do much research before I could make a judgement as to whether his findings, and the others’ findings were of any merit. Second, the speaker appears to be implying that there is some kind of underworld plot to depopulate the earth. I have a problem that sort of thinking. But, who knows, maybe “Big Bother” really is watching! I will say though, that I have never trusted the pharmaceutical companies. I’m sure there are trustworthy people who work for these companies, but, the companies themselves must make a profit. And, history teaches us that in many cases, profit will be more of a priority than the well being of others. For my family and I, it’s real simple! We don’t take drugs, including antibiotics, unless it is absolutely necessary! Judging the necessity at the time of need, is a very difficult thing to do though. Fortunately, we have not had to make an serious decisions so far. And, I pray that day does not come. My oldest son, who has just turned 8, was diagnosed with ADHD at the age of 3. Their recommendation, was of course, DRUGS! My wife and I, have from the beginning, believed that drugs, in the long run, would do more harm than good. So, we have chosen a different approach. I owe most of the credit to my wife. She has been very careful as to what goes into the bodies of our boys. She researched this for at least a couple of years, and is still learning more! Without going into specifics, she is very health conscious, and very much in tune with what works for our son, and what doesn’t. She is an excellent mother! More over, I have not met many children that could not be diagnosed ADHD, if you go by the general definition of the term. Children have a deficit of attention! Children are hyperactive! I should say though, in all fairness, that there are children out there, and adults alike, that fit the profile of what I’d consider being ADHD. Not that I have any credentials to back up this claim. It is purely my opinion. Its just that, it seems to have become a very popular way for some parents, to say “Oh! There must be something wrong with my child.” So, they justify to themselves a drug will fix everything. And, they can prove it because their child is so much calmer now. Well, my guess is that opium would have about the same affect. As for you, Serge my friend! I noticed many posts ago, that you are a very spiritual man! I would like you to know that I also am a spiritual man. I probably would not have brought it up, but, right now it seems appropriate. I’m sure that our views of rituals and traditions of religion would differ. But, what really matters is that God is in all our hearts. We all, just expresses it differently! Sincerely, Robert “Is virtue a thing remote? I wish to be virtuous, and lo! Virtue is at hand” Confucius |
Author: | Serge Poirier [ Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:36 am ] |
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Robert, thank you for taking the time to express yourself on this. I must admit that i somewhat regretted posting this after seeing what effect it could do or have on people, and i now think that i was wrong, a good christian should not try to awake others' faith by fear but rather by not being afraid to talk about God himself and His love for all of us if we could all see His promise. So, i guess that what i'm trying to say is sorry folks, i should not have posted this but at the time i did, i really felt i had to. talking about conspiracies, there are a bunch of them going on on the internet and probably most of them are untrue but some of them are just so overwhelmingly convincing that it is hard to ignore them. And even if some of them would turn out to be true, i realize that it doesn't really matter as long as i(talking to myself here) stay and walk in the spirit i guess. I am a man of faith (sometimes poor) and although i believe in Him, it happens that i fail but i feel truly blessed that i can always count on His forgiveness and on people like you to remind me of the bigger plan. You're a good man Robert and i'm proud to be your brother in Him. Serge |
Author: | Billy T [ Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:35 pm ] |
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Mercury is extremely toxic! There is real concern about the use of thimerasol in vaccines. The projected cases of autism for 2006 has dropped 35% after the outlaw of thimerasol. This was after a consistant rise for years. I have had real problems that was obviously from my mercury(silver) fillings. It almost killed me because I was so sensitive to it, but I am pretty angered at anybody even suggesting that somebody would put these in somebodies mouth knowing that it would do harm. The overwhelming human exposure to Hg is from fillings according to the world health organization. the Hg passes the placental blood barrier so the toxicity is accumlative. Almost all the European nations, except England, has outlawed or restrained their use. The largest German manufacturer Degussa has stopped production in all cases siting legal concerns. Many have not been using them for years. The two patents governing Hg fillings use in the USA has been owned by the American Dentistry Association until about 2003. This is not just a conflict of interest but extremely immoral! 4 out of 5 Dentists that I have talked with about this would only say things like I'm only a white dentist, meaning only composites. If people knew the sceintific facts already proven about Hg exposure and just how small a exposure has to be for a negitive reaction to the metal they would never risk putting this substance in theirs, or their childrens bodies at any level. It's odd because in mentioning this to 4 Medical Doctors they were all very surprized that fillings contain as much Hg as they do. Only really believing me after being presented with the amalgam manufacturer data sheets. There's more Hg than in a thermometer and 40% releases in the first ten years by vaporous form, the worse possible exposure. I suggest anybody look up the facts on Hg and talk to there MD and see how little they know about the subject. |
Author: | robertD [ Thu Feb 22, 2007 12:17 am ] |
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Billy, thank you for posting this info. I was not even aware that this was a problem till Serges’ post. I was aware that mercury is toxic, but, I had no idea it was in the fillings of my teeth! Makes me wonder where else it could be. Also, looks like you have done some research on this, and I gather by the way you speak about it, you have some educational background that has enabled you to have a good grasp on what their talking about. You said were angered, and I know this could be a sore subject for you. However, if you felt inclined to, I for one would be very interested in hearing more of what you have found out. Serge my friend, Looks like you’ve started something good here! My guess is, you had no idea that one of your OLF brothers had direct experience with mercury. And there’s a good chance that others will have something to say about this too. Spreading awareness on something of this nature is a good thing! Also, I got to thinking, that I may have led you to believe that I doubted the validity of the presentation. I did not have a problem believing that mercury is in, or was in, vaccines. I just had trouble understanding his comparisons from one statistical study to another. For me, I would need to know more about statistical analysis, and a much better understanding of mercury, and its effects on the human body. There is no doubt that it is toxic. Its just that, I’m sure there is more to it than that. And, I must say, that after watching the video, and reading Billy’s post. I feel now, that I’d better start understanding more about this! On another note, Serge my friend, your humility is an admirable trait! But, if I may be so bold, and if I have crossed the line here, please let me know. I just want to say, that I don’t believe you should have to apologize for what you believe in. After all, believing in ourselves, or a higher power, is all we can say we truly own! All the THINGS we think we own because we bought them, or someone gave to us, is just a matter of perception. All the clothes in your closet will eventually return to the earth from which they were made. The car you drive will eventually be melted down and made into something else that someone else will claim that they own. Even the land that I built my house on is just a loan from mother earth for as long as I live here. After all is said and done, all that is truly ours, is what is in our hearts and minds. And, Serge I get the feeling you have BIG heart. Thanks again, for starting this thread Sincerely, Robert |
Author: | Serge Poirier [ Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:39 am ] |
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Billy, thank you for depicting with such clarity what i understood from this video and that my unorganized brain can't explain with words, i will pray for your complete recovery and protection my friend, God bless you! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Robert, as a believer in Christ, i felt it was my duty to do so and you're very right about not apologizing for it, i just remembered that i prayed our Lord before exposing this and asked His permission. Now, that known by you and others, i don't care if i make enemies because of my faith in Jesus, each and everyone is mature enough to make their own decisions of faith, i chose Jesus because He is the way, the truth and the life and that i will not worship anything less than The Creator of the earth and the universe Himself. There are other subjects that would be worth posting here for spiritual concerns but i will wait as i feel that some of our brothers here would not be ready yet to accept as truth. In the meantime, i'm truly happy if my posting this is awaking you and others to the real dangers that we face. Will pray for you and yours as well my friend. Serge |
Author: | Brock Poling [ Thu Feb 22, 2007 4:20 am ] |
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Can we dial back the religion please? There are only few rules on this forum and no swearing, no politics and no religion are right at the top of our list. No offense is taken but please observe this. |
Author: | Steve Saville [ Thu Feb 22, 2007 4:27 am ] |
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Now you've done it Brock. Serge is now going to have to do another apology thread. ![]() ![]() |
Author: | Brock Poling [ Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:32 am ] |
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I think that needs to go on the rule list too. ![]() ![]() |
Author: | Serge Poirier [ Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:57 am ] |
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Brock, no offense taken from your commentary but i do not belong to any religions or cults whatsoever and will never ever promote any religion over another. So in a sense, i am not a religious person. When i write the words God, Jesus, Lord, they are words that come with Faith and Scripture and that do not belong to any denominations that human beings would like them associated with. These words have true meaning for me and i really try to use them in meaningful moments. I understand clearly the rules set forth by you and Lance to avoid conflicts between us all but in my faith, it is impossible to turn away from Him or deny Him before man so i'll submit to your rules this only time and say farewell to you all here, you folks are the best friends i've ever had. Thanks for everything you've all shared with me, The OLF will grow to an astonishing rate and i will remember you all forever. May God bless you all Serge |
Author: | Brock Poling [ Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:09 am ] |
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Serge, you can believe anything you like. I am not trying to influence your or anyone's beliefs.. I am simply asking that we do not discuss this material here. There are lots of forums for that kind of discussion. (and I presume you know that the comment about your apology thread was a joke ![]() |
Author: | JJ Donohue [ Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:51 am ] |
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Serge...Please reconsider! Just by the way you conduct your life, you bring inspiration and spirituality to your buddies here. WWJD?...I think the answer would be to stay with those who are your best friends and continue to deliver your message by your example. |
Author: | Steve Saville [ Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:07 am ] |
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Serge, I can relate to your dilemma as I am also a person of faith. I won't try to tell you what to do, or that you are wrong. You are the only one that can decide that. I wish I could tell you that you are wrong and should stay. I can't do that. But I can beg and plead. Please stay. I don't want you to go. I will miss your gifts of encouragement and humor. I will miss watching you grow into a world class builder. I need you! Please stay for me and all the others here that need you too. I have found a way to work around the rules on this and other forums. I believe we can still be a light within these voluntary rules. I actually think the rules make sense for this forum. I've seen forums without rules. I gets very ugly real fast. |
Author: | Rod True [ Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:26 am ] |
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Serge, If you really leave, I'm getting on a plane and coming to kick your butt ![]() The rest I'll reserve for a soon to be made phone call. |
Author: | L. Presnall [ Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:13 am ] |
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Serge, the word says that if we deny Jesus before man, the He will deny us before the Father...I understand your feelings, especially since your post was meant for the good of everyone here...the reason I don't post here as often as I used to is that I've felt I had to censor my true feelings at times...the words that some find offense in are such a part of me that I can't separate them according to where I am or who I'm talking to...this should probably be a PM according to the rules of the OLF which I respect...but, Brock, Lance, and everyone else reading here, I want you to see this...I respect you both tremendously and you've created the best forum I've seen of ANY kind...I believe you've done an admirable job of making the OLF a safe place for the majority...I say that to say this...I hope you'll reconsider your "religion" policy...I don't believe in "religion"...I DO believe in my relationship with Jesus! Religion is of man and every bad thing written about it is true...but if we look into Serge's heart we see that his heart testifies to his character...and if we look into his character we cannot in good conscience allow him to leave over this! Serge, buddy, COME BACK! Larry |
Author: | Brock Poling [ Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:26 am ] |
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Larry, the position on this is clear and it is very reasonable. Religion and politics are two of the very hottest subjects that can be discussed. We want this community to be as inclusive as possible and we think that to do this we need to concentrate on the common love of guitar building. Serge's decision to leave and your pleas for reconsideration on this topic only illustrate my point. These are fundamental issues with people and we don't want to discuss or debate them here. I know Serge did not mean anything by his comments, I know he is a great guy. That isn't the point. You need to go back and re-read the messages. I neither questioned anybody's world view, nor suggested that I was offended by the comments, I simply asked that we observe the rules and not discuss it here. In fact, I couldn't have been nicer about how I made the request. If you want to talk about religion take the conversation to an environment that is dedicated to that topic. I ** thought ** we were here to discuss guitar building, it is great that we can chat about other stuff too, but there are boundaries. |
Author: | Brock Poling [ Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:27 am ] |
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I am closing this thread. |
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