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| Author: | phil c-e [ Sun May 06, 2007 11:14 am ] |
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not wanting to high-jack the thread from which this arises, i thought i'd start a separate discussion. for those using a random orbit sander (or anything hand held) for your buffing, here's my list of questions: - what style and name brand of machine are you using? - what kind of buffing pads are you using and where do you get them? - what kind of buffing compounds are you using and where do you get them? - how long do buffing pads last? are you able to rake them the way power buffers can rake out old compound or do you wash or just replace? - how long does it take to buff a guitar using your set up? thanks for the help. phil |
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| Author: | tippie53 [ Sun May 06, 2007 11:30 am ] |
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- what style and name brand of machine are you using? I use a porter cable unit that is both orbital and variable speed. - what kind of buffing pads are you using and where do you get them? I use a foam pad that has the loop and hook . I can swap out pads so easy and I can use a few different pads. - what kind of buffing compounds are you using and where do you get them? I use 3M products. I get them at my local auto paint store. I use the basic 3m line for auto paint and they work great. I finish up with maquires swirl remover and can buff up lacquer for that wet shine look. - how long do buffing pads last? They last a long time. I have them for about 1 year now and they are still in fine shape. I store them in plastic bags. are you able to rake them the way power buffers can rake out old compound or do you wash or just replace? No I clean them out with how water and tide detergent. - how long does it take to buff a guitar using your set up? Buffing will take a long time so don't think you will find something that will take an hour. This is part of the finishing process and if you take a short cut now you will just be fooling yourself. Figure about 8 hrs to get it perfect and then double it. I can finish buffing in about 4-6 hrs of labor. |
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| Author: | MSpencer [ Mon May 07, 2007 12:22 pm ] |
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Greetings! 1. That big ugly orange one from Harbor Freight they run on sale every other month for around $15.00 2. Buffing pads from HF as well, my store has about 4 different types in the 12" size from lamb skin to thin terry cloth. Also have shammy (sp) cloth. As long as they are 12" most any brand will work, I have used others 3.I also use auto products (Maguires) and others 4. I use and save the same pads for the different waxing buffing finishes I am using. About 2 guitars each. 5. I put on several layers in my process, so I would agreee with 4-6 man hours. I really like the orbital hand held buffer, it is so easy to use, have never had any problems with burning a finish. I have thought about going to an arbor style, but other than looking cool, I don't think that do any better of a job. My 2 cents Mike |
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| Author: | Dave Anderson [ Mon May 07, 2007 2:20 pm ] |
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I use a DeWalt w/ adj. speed. and Bosch pads from a local tool shop. I think you can order them from Klingspors catalog. I also clean them with hot water and detergent.They do last quite a while. I'm using the Stew-Mac compounds. It does take some time to get a nice finish-around 4 hrs. I'd say. |
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| Author: | phil c-e [ Tue May 08, 2007 5:04 am ] |
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thanks for the responses guys. the only discouraging thing you've told me is the amount of time the process takes - anywhere from 4 to as much as 8 hours. that sounds like a huge time commitment compared to what the average power buffer folks are putting in. i could actually imagine putting in the time, but couldn't imagine holding my random orbit sander for hours at a stretch. i'd have tendonitis so bad i couldn't play guitar. might be time to find that 1/3 hp motor and a go kart axle. phil |
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| Author: | MSpencer [ Tue May 08, 2007 8:57 am ] |
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The buffing process is what takes the time in my approach. I don't know if changing from a Hand Orbital to a arbor style would reduce buffing time that much. Sorry if that was confusing. Mike |
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| Author: | Chris Ide [ Tue May 08, 2007 11:30 pm ] |
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I use a festool rotex with there buffing pads. The variable speed and orbit options make it a versatile piece of equipment. I've only done a couple of guitars with it but shined up a cherry table top yesterday that turned out very nice. |
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