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I say ban Hesh for life for a post like that!
Kidding, geesh.

What about an edit button like on the "other" forum that allows edits for 20 minutes. I can't see where anyone could abuse something like that.

Good points, Hesh!

The 'company owners' do seem to get a bit heavy-handed from time to time. I really don't understand the need for it.


John

Thank You Hesh

Hesh, you and I don't always see eye to eye on stuff, but you are right on the mark.

One kid acts up and the whole classroom stays in from recess..sheesh... No way to run a business...

Was the deletion of the edit button because some would post insulting comments and then another would complain, but by the time the post was reviewed the comments were edited? I could be wrong, but it seems like I remember hearing this as a reason...If not then sorry. I must have been dreaming again.

But if so then wouldn't it be possible to just give back the edit button and if someone sees an insulting post they could just use "Print Screen" to capture the post and send it on to Brock and Lance as an attachment along with their complaint.

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Hmm, I gotta disagree with some of you guys. First, it's just an edit button. Spend 5 seconds reading your post before hitting 'post' and problem solved. People don't seem to have a problem adding a 2nd post if they have more to say. Why argue over something as trivial as that? Your brain is now the edit function.

Second, Everybody here knows Lance and Brock, and if you trust them to continue running a great forum, there is no need to demand an explanation everytime they do something. It IS their playground, and while sponsors do pay money, they know the ground rules beforehand and that this is not a business for profit but something Lance and Brock do on the side, and I'm guessing they're not making money on it. In order for there to be trust, there is an amount of risk that both parties are willing to incur. Lance and Brock run a great forum and they have never given reason not to trust them. If I had to choose between trusting them, or the other thousands that view this site, I know where I stand. I say give them some slack and look back at well the site has been managed over the last 5 years. Surely they've earned a few passes without the need to give explanations.

John   

My thinking goes more along with John's. I think that considering how busy the OLF is, there are very few restrictions on how we get to use it. Just a few minutes on the other one mentioned here sometimes will attest to that.

I agree, it's nice to have an edit button, but it appears it has been abused in the past. My guess is that, with the search on for another forum software package, customizing this package further for an edit button timeout is probably not feasible. I run a small forum, and if I were in this same position, I'd be hesitant to pursue it too.

But I am curious about the two posts, both innocent in intent, which have been closed and archived, not deleted.

I do hope we can maintain a civil tone in this thread!

Reading my post again before using the Preview button......

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    I kind of have to side with Hesh Buddy on this! Not having the edit button is a real nuisance. It also feels heavy handed.

    I realize the threat of deletion by disgruntled posters can change the flow of a thread but JJ's calling Bob "boob" by mistake bothered me too because I have the utmost respect for Bob and his work.

[quote]honor and integrity of the OLF[/quote]

     Th only thing that bothers me about Hesh's posting is I've never seen any "honor and integrity of the OLF" and why hasn't that been stomped out if it's there!   

[quote]forum that allows edits for 20 minutes.[/quote]

Probably because the software doesn't allow it! As for abuse there is abuse in everything, believe me, I know!

   Has somebody talked to Tony maybe he pulled it?

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John I agree with what you have stated. this is Lance's and Brock's playground. It is a privilege not a right to be able to participate here. However most if not a vast majority of the members here take ownership in the forum here as well. I like to consider myself one of those. We don't set the rules. We have no special privileges. But we self police and gently inform newbies of how to interact on the forum. we give our time to donate our knowledge and often the fruits of our work to benifit the forum. In short we care for this forum with a great sense of responsibility.

Yes better proofreading would help. But to tell the truth I like to respond quickly to what I am asked. I am a terrible typist, and would love to have the edit button back. I was absent when what ever brought on the removal of the button.

As a long time member of the forum and someone who cares greatly about it. I am willing to do what it takes to keep the forum as great and lively as possible. But I would be less than honest if I did not say We are slowly losing the close personal feel that made this place great.

We have a core of members that is outstanding. If allowed we can contain (politely) most out of bounds behaivier with just some thoughtful insight. What we cant then Brock and Lance could take need actions. but more and more I feel like a school kid around here.

Sorry but these words have been coming for a while.

I love this place. But there is a reason I love it.

While I completely understand and agree that this is L&BTC's sandbox, I don't agree with having innocent threads pulled for no apparent reason.

I read the Code of Conduct and I still can't see where the threads were in violation of any of the rules...

I guess all members are equal, just some are more equal than others...

a.

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that should read LK & BP's sandbox...

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Hey Guys!  At the risk of being redundant; In the FP thread, when Brock posted his concern over the text of the thread being deleted, don't ask me how without an Edit button,  I made some snide comments like, "Brock you should have used your  button.  OK, OK I'll give you a  button too!  He then posted an explanation to the issue on the FP thread as follows:

"What happens is someone decides at somepoint in the future
that they no longer like their post, or original comment and goes back and
either entirely remove them (as this post was) or substantially alter them to
the point where the following discussion becomes weird.

This is no slight on Greg. The problem has existed long before this post...



That kind of screws up the archive, but even worse, on posts where someone
feels offended, attacked, slighted, or otherwise, I will get a PM asking me to
look into it sometimes to find that the original post is gone.



Sometimes the offended party is clamoring that the OLF, Lance or I have hurt
their business yada yada yada and they are going to sue for defamation, blah
blah blah.



And in one case we had a significant member go back into the archive and delete
and make radical changes to many (if not all) of their posts going back to the
inception of them joining the group. That really screws us up.



So.. again, that is why there is no edit button.



But, you guys were wearing me down and I thought "hey... maybe I am
throwing out the baby with the bath water here... and we should turn it back
on." When Mark asked me to turn it on for the Sound Salon I thought this
was a good opportunity to try it.



.. and it is deja vu all over again.



This is mostly my little hissy fit over something I wish we didn't have to do.
Maybe a future version of the software could limit how long an edit would be
available, but this software does not seem to offer it."

I don't know about the other thread, and  I still don't see the whole picture, but that's what he said, in case you may have missed the post.  It is still in the archives.

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.....this post was edited by Bruce Dickey 2:30PM June 07, 07

blink, plink, chink, wink, stink.......

excuse me.....

.....this post was edited by Bruce Dickey 2:30PM June 07, 07

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"This is mostly my little hissy fit over something I wish we didn't have to do. Maybe a future version of the software could limit how long an edit would be available, but this software does not seem to offer it."


I don't throw hissy fits.
(The term sounds like a school teachers scold)

I only spoke the truth about how I felt.

I don't think Hesh through a hissy fit eithier. I think he asked for an explanation which has yet to be directly forth coming.

Waddy are you involved in this forum administration? This question is not meant in any way to be conventional. It is just part of you post could be construed as if you are, and I don't know, as I have been off the forum most of th e winter for various non forum related reasons and was not aware if you were or not.

[QUOTE=MichaelP] "This is mostly my little hissy fit over something I wish we didn't have to do. Maybe a future version of the software could limit how long an edit would be available, but this software does not seem to offer it."


I don't throw hissy fits.
(The term sounds like a school teachers scold)

I only spoke the truth about how I felt.

I don't think Hesh through a hissy fit eithier. I think he asked for an explanation which has yet to be directly forth coming.

Waddy are you involved in this forum administration? This question is not meant in any way to be conventional. It is just part of you post could be construed as if you are, and I don't know, as I have been off the forum most of th e winter for various non forum related reasons and was not aware if you were or not.[/QUOTE]

Michael. I read it that same way as you but went back to re-read and noticed where the quotes were. I think he was quoting a message sent to him. If you read it that way it makes a bit more sense.

No, Michael, I was just trying to throw some light into the subject, since I was sort of involved in the FP thread, and made the wise cracks to Brock.

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What I was doing was posting Brock's explanation.  He was referencing his "Hissy Fit" from his previous post in that FP thread.  Look it up in the archives to get the whole thing.

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OK I wanted to be sure I under stood

As Paul suggest, I think Waddy meant his post to appear like this Michael

Brock Polling Wrote: [QUOTE] What happens is someone decides at somepoint in the future that they no longer like their post, or original comment and goes back and either entirely remove them (as this post was) or substantially alter them to the point where the following discussion becomes weird.


This is no slight on Greg. The problem has existed long before this post...

That kind of screws up the archive, but even worse, on posts where someone feels offended, attacked, slighted, or otherwise, I will get a PM asking me to look into it sometimes to find that the original post is gone.

Sometimes the offended party is clamoring that the OLF, Lance or I have hurt their business yada yada yada and they are going to sue for defamation, blah blah blah.

And in one case we had a significant member go back into the archive and delete and make radical changes to many (if not all) of their posts going back to the inception of them joining the group. That really screws us up.

So.. again, that is why there is no edit button.

But, you guys were wearing me down and I thought "hey... maybe I am throwing out the baby with the bath water here... and we should turn it back on." When Mark asked me to turn it on for the Sound Salon I thought this was a good opportunity to try it.

.. and it is deja vu all over again.

This is mostly my little hissy fit over something I wish we didn't have to do. Maybe a future version of the software could limit how long an edit would be available, but this software does not seem to offer it."

I don't know about the other thread, and I still don't see the whole picture, but that's what he said, in case you may have missed the post. It is still in the archives.[/QUOTE]

Cheers

Kim

Oops sorry, to slow

Cheers

Kim

I'd be interested in your comments here please.

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Well... I think it is most prudent to not respond, but since you asked nice.   

The FP thread was essentially gutted (the edit button works in the Sound Salon Forum, per Mark Kett's request). Greg went back and deleted his original post so all the follow on was answers and ideas to a question that no longer existed. Then I made a little rant about the edit button. After posting it I didn't think that the thread had any significant value so I closed and archived it.

On Tony's thread - there was nothing wrong with what Tony posted, and clearly we don't have a problem promoting John's work. That particular post was going to cause a couple of our members some discomfort. And for reasons I don't want to get into I thought it was best for everyone involved if we short circuited it and did our best to avoid an (at best) an awkward situation (and at worst hard feelings between prominent members ofthe board.) I sent Tony a PM and explained why. He seemed to understand. I thought it was in the best interest of the board.


Guys.. I know we all thrive on drama, but Lance and I just do what we think is in the best interest of the forum. It is impossible to make everyone happy 100% of the time. We just do the best we can.

I think we all agree that this is still a unique environment and neither of us run the board with the level of moderation the other luthier boards have (.. and I am not just talking about the MIMF).

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