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Tutorial – Hot Hide Glue (part one)
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Author:  WaddyThomson [ Mon Jun 25, 2007 3:12 am ]
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I recall reading a tip that I thought was pretty smart, in a recent thread. I'm sorry I can't remember who, offhand, but the tip was to make up the glue in a container, then spoon out what you would need from the refrigerated glue, and just heat that quantity in a small cup or bottle.  That way you don't have to keep heating all the glue over and over.  I take no credit for this idea.

Great tutorial again Hesh!  Will this soon be a movie?

Author:  Andy Zimmerman [ Mon Jun 25, 2007 3:18 am ]
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Thanks Dude!!!!
I haven't made the switch yet but I should
Author:  Dave White [ Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:51 am ]
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Hesh,

Good stuff.

The one thing I will add is that the 145 degree temperature is one you don't want to go above. You can work and use hhg below this temperature - below the 140 degree you mention. We can become a little too "clinical" - in the old days in the workshops they didn't have digital thermometers (neither did the Ancient Egyptians). Also depending on what you want to do you may want mixes a bit thiscker than the 1.8:1 - Mario when he was here used to say that he liked his HHG to have the consistency of Titebond. I think the secret of working with hhg is not to be afraid of it but learn to go with "the flow". If at all in doubt the joints can easily be dis-assambled, cleaned up and you can do it again.
Author:  Blain [ Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:59 am ]
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Thanks Hesh!

I've had several questions about Hide glue that you've clearly answered.

So you all are just using "rival hot pots" to heat the water for the glue? This whole time I thought I needed to purchase the glue pot for around $100 which has been holding me back from trying hide glue.

Very much appreciated Tutorial Hesh.

Author:  Billy T [ Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:23 am ]
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Great tutorial Bud! Thanks for the bit about the distilled water, I've never seen that before. I'll have to try it!
Author:  L. Presnall [ Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:32 am ]
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Here's my HHG set-up...I agree with Dave that we luthier types can be too critical so I went back to my airline pilot roots and simplified....note the comfortable seating area....

              
Author:  JJ Donohue [ Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:01 am ]
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A point of clarification on the distilled water. DW is intended to use in place of mineral laden tap water. DW is pure water and only water and will make your mixes consistent and repeatable all over the world.

Here's what I do to minimize mold growth...I boil the containers for about 5 minutes before pouring in the freshly mixed HHG. This way, any spores will be killed off and the start of mold growth can be delayed significantly.

Also, I store filled bottles in the freezer indefinitely (9 months data). After using an opened bottle, I store it in the fridge for no more than 2 months.
Author:  JJ Donohue [ Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:02 am ]
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EDIT

Todd...I like your rig for both thick and thin HHG!
Author:  Kirt Myers [ Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:53 am ]
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Here's my rig. The thick pot works great to keep a constant temp. I keep the small cups in the freezer until needed and keep them in the fridge between heats.

Kirt
Author:  jhowell [ Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:23 am ]
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Hesh--

Thanks for the very informative tutorial and thank you to all who have made this a must read thread. I've been 'him-hawing' around for a while now, thinking about making the leap into the HHG world and this thread is my inspiration. Gonna do it and order some HHG tonight.

Thanks again all!
Author:  KenH [ Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:45 pm ]
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GREAT tutorial !


I too have been afraid of using HHG because of the expense and trouble of dealing with it. Looks like once you know the tricks it is easy to deal with. I'll give it a try!


THANKS!
Author:  charliewood [ Tue Jun 26, 2007 3:02 am ]
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Hesh,
great tutorial, I can forsee a time when we have tutorial section here at the OLF - a centralized place where any particular luthierie operation is easy to find, this would be much better than having to sift through the archives... things can be surprisingly difficult to find at times! Im surprised that more of the luthier sites dont have this set up seeing as so many helpful luthiers are posting phot and video tutorials these days... Like our buddy Hesh here
Thanks again.
Cheers
Charliewood
Author:  RHYANK [ Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:07 am ]
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Hesh,


 


Thanks for the info.  Do you mind if I copy off and keep in my notebook ?
Author:  JimWomack [ Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:48 am ]
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Hesh, great tutorial. Very timely for me... I had been considering HHG for my next build. Question for all you HHG users, do you get your glue from the usual suspects, LMI, StewMac, etc? Reason I ask is while browsing the Lee Valley site, I noticed that they carry HHG too, although the gram strength is rated at 260. Will this cause the glue to set up too quickly to be useful for our purposes? Does it have any applications for us? I order stuff from LV occasionally, so I was curious about their HHG.
Author:  WaddyThomson [ Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:04 am ]
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From what I have read, the 192 gram strength is better for instrument building.  If you need greater strength than that, you can get gelatin  at the grocery store - it has a strength in excess of 300 g.  
Author:  Terry Stowell [ Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:15 am ]
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On my (very similar) hot pot, I took the base apart and found a little adjustable electronic trim pot (read rheaostat)

I just fiddled with it until I had a comfortable "headroom". So, when I turned the main heat control almost all the way up, it maxed out way below the boiling point. The allows more accurate dialing in of temp.
Author:  SteveCourtright [ Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:34 am ]
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Hesh, you are a wizard at making this look simple. Keep them coming and thank you!
Author:  Brock Poling [ Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:42 am ]
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[QUOTE=charliewood] Hesh,
great tutorial, I can forsee a time when we have tutorial section here at the OLF - a centralized place where any particular luthierie operation is easy to find, this would be much better than having to sift through the archives... things can be surprisingly difficult to find at times! Im surprised that more of the luthier sites dont have this set up seeing as so many helpful luthiers are posting phot and video tutorials these days... Like our buddy Hesh here
Thanks again.
Cheers
Charliewood[/QUOTE]


That sounds like a good idea...

And, I'll tell you what.    If you (or anyone) wants to come up with this list we will more than happily post a page of them similar to what we do in the jigs and tools area.

But honestly, we have so much stuff on our plate with HGF coming up, the new software going in, work, kids, and other stuff I don't see this project getting off the ground without some help from you guys. If you do the research, we will make the page.

Why don't you start a thread and have everyone find their favorite tutorial to post (please don't PM me or Lance, it is hard to keep track of these) and after we seem to find all of them we will make a page.

Author:  Brock Poling [ Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:46 am ]
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[QUOTE=JimW] Hesh, great tutorial. Very timely for me... I had been considering HHG for my next build. Question for all you HHG users, do you get your glue from the usual suspects, LMI, StewMac, etc? Reason I ask is while browsing the Lee Valley site, I noticed that they carry HHG too, although the gram strength is rated at 260. Will this cause the glue to set up too quickly to be useful for our purposes? Does it have any applications for us? I order stuff from LV occasionally, so I was curious about their HHG.
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All hide glue comes from the same factory. IIRC there is only one place in North America that makes this stuff any more. I am not sure about the rest of the world.

Author:  Alain Desforges [ Wed Jun 27, 2007 1:48 am ]
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Great tutorial bro! A little adendum, if I may... I do believe another reason to use SS bolts is that they'll act as little 'heat sinks' and keep the temperature elevated a bit longer once the bottle is out of the bath...

Jim, I've used the Lee Valley glue on my last two guitars and it works just the same as the 192 high clarity HHG I used before... Great stuff, this HHG...
Author:  JimWomack [ Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:41 pm ]
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Thanks Alain, good to know.
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