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| Author: | Blain [ Mon Jul 02, 2007 3:32 am ] |
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I was at the local Guitar Center in Austin a few days back and was looking at all of the guitars because that's what I do sometimes when I'm bored..... And I saw this Martin 000 guitar that sounded and looked beautiful. It did not have a glossy finish, but I'm wondering what it might have been. Would this have been Tru-Oil maybe? My next question is how well would this type of finish protects the guitar? I would think that it might protect it from stains, etc. but that it wouldn't have much protection against scratching, dings and such. Does anyone have thoughts on this? |
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| Author: | Kevin Gallagher [ Mon Jul 02, 2007 4:14 am ] |
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Martin never uses any oil fnishes because of their reduced ability to protect the guitars as compared to a sprayed finish. Martin isn't using lacquer right now o most of their models, either. The finish you saw on that 000 was a sprayed finish with a satin drying additive that allows it dry to that warm satin finish. Martin has changed their finish material so many times in the past couple of decades that it's almost impossible to know what they're using at any given time. There are so few employees there who have access to the fiish department and its operation that you'll get as many answers to what finish they're using as the number of people you ask there most times. Regards, Kevin Gallaher/Omega Guitars |
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| Author: | Blain [ Mon Jul 02, 2007 4:20 am ] |
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Thanks Kevin. Is there anyone that you're aware of that can do the same type of finish (with the satin drying additive)? I'm still working on #1 (about to start FP'ing mid this week) and will probably do FP on my first several guitars, but really liked the look of this 000 that I saw and would like to possibly have one done this way in the future. |
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| Author: | crazymanmichael [ Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:09 am ] |
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you can buy satin versions of most finishes such as waterbourne or nitro, or buy a flattening additive, but the drawback is that if you don't like it you have to strip it to really change the look. as a result many just don't buff it up, leaving it at what ever degree of surface satiness they like by varying how finely they sand it. |
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| Author: | Blain [ Mon Jul 02, 2007 6:41 am ] |
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Thanks everyone! This helps a lot. I might have to try the Stew-Mac Nitro in a can if I can get set up to where I can control the Hazardous part of it. |
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| Author: | Colin S [ Mon Jul 02, 2007 8:40 am ] |
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Blain I often put a satin finish on my French polished guitars, I usually leave it a couple of months after they are polished then cut it back to a nice lustre with OOOO woool with walnut oil as a lubricant, If you dont like the result it's easy to add another glaze coat and get back to the shine! Colin |
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| Author: | Blain [ Mon Jul 02, 2007 9:37 am ] |
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Thanks for the tip Colin. I'll try that on a scrap piece while doing my first FP and see how I like it. |
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| Author: | j.Brown [ Mon Jul 02, 2007 12:36 pm ] |
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Most high gloss finishes can be satin-ized with some ultra-fine steel wool, can't they? Then you could save the money for two different cans, plus if you didn't like it, you could polish it back to a gloss. Is that wrong? -j. |
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| Author: | tippie53 [ Mon Jul 02, 2007 12:44 pm ] |
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Martin uses 3 basic finishes Nitro Gloss Nitro Satin Nitro Chem Sheen ( catalized Lacquer ) |
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| Author: | Kevin Gallagher [ Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:22 pm ] |
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tippie53, You'd be gard pressed to find nitro lacquer anywhere in the Martin plant with the exceotion of the repair department where they keep it on hand for repairs on pieces with nitro finishes. I know alot of the guys there like to say they're using nitro on the bulk of their models, but it's just not the case. I talk to guys in the finih department there on a regular basis and even have one stopping in for a crash course in the use of UV cured finishes. Martin messed around with the UV material a while ago, but it was too involved for their time limitations and prduction demands. j.brown, A satin finish needs to be sparayed as a satin finish to truly exhibit that consistently low gloss patina. We call a gloss finish that has been dulled by steel wool or micro-mesh rubbing a "scratched" finish since that's what it really is. No matter how fine the grit of the dulling abrasive is, you'll be able to detect the rubbing pattern and scratches. I've dulled out alot of electric and acoustic necks to give the players a smoother, less "sticky" feel than the high gloss finish offered. I typically finish them with 8000 grit micro-mesh pads wrapped around a foam block and spend a good amount of time rubbing with that final grit to give as consistent a satin look as possible. Regards, Kevin Gallagher/Omega Guitars |
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| Author: | j.Brown [ Wed Jul 04, 2007 3:17 pm ] |
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Kevin, Good info. Would that be considered an inferior product then? I'm guessing it is considering its called a "scratched" finish. Are there additives, then, in the products to produce that satin finish? -j. |
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| Author: | Kevin Gallagher [ Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:01 pm ] |
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j, A "scratched" finish isn't inferior at all since it's simply a great durable finish that is dulled to a satin appearance by using very fine abrasives. Any satin finish that is sprayed by a manufacturer will be sprayed as a final topcoat that will actually dry to that satin sheen rather than to the typical gloss dry surface. The additive simply causes the drying to occur with that soft satin appearance. Regards, Kevin Gallagher/Omega Guitars |
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| Author: | Todd Rose [ Thu Jul 05, 2007 8:33 pm ] |
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Last time I spoke with Addam Stark, he said that one of the finishes he offers is a satin urethane. So, you could farm it out to him if you want. |
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