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| Author: | James W B [ Sat Oct 13, 2007 4:33 am ] |
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I sprayed the sides with super soft and covered them with craft paper and waited them down for a couple of days.When I unwrapped them there was purple bleeding coloration in the EIR sides.It looks like it stained the wood and wouldn`t sand out with light sanding.The question is ,do I get serous and try to sand heavier before bending? Or wait till after bending? Or maybe the sides are ruined.The wood was a deep purple to begin with,so maybe this was a factor.Not sure what to do next? James |
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| Author: | James W B [ Sat Oct 13, 2007 5:03 am ] |
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OOPS Just read some of the threads on SS2.It sounds like I`ll be fine.I `m just not sure whether to bend first and then sand or vice versa. James |
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| Author: | BobK [ Sat Oct 13, 2007 5:07 am ] |
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I had the same results with EIR. I did sand out.
Bob |
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| Author: | BobK [ Sat Oct 13, 2007 5:08 am ] |
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I mean, it was fine after sanding. |
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| Author: | James W B [ Sat Oct 13, 2007 6:21 am ] |
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Bob did you sand before bending or after? James |
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| Author: | Rod True [ Sat Oct 13, 2007 6:29 am ] |
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Just to help you guys out a bit. You don't need SSII for wood like EIR, you can almost bend it without wetting it with water. SSII should be reserved for wood with heavy figure which can be very difficult to bend. You really don't need to spray SSII on wood like EIR,Walnut,Mahogany or most woods for that matter. I've bent highly figured curly maple without SSII with fine results, you just have to make sure you get enough heat into the wood. 
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| Author: | BobK [ Sat Oct 13, 2007 7:41 am ] |
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Rod I agree that EIR bends easily and doesn't require super soft. But, an EIR set was what I had in the works when I ordered the super soft and I also was bending a side with a that had an extra layer of veneer and a purple heart inlay for a sound port. Seemed like cheap insurance and a worthwhile experiment at the time. James, I like the idea of thicker sides. This set was dimensioned down to something like .095 and sanded up to 220 before bending. After bending I went back down to 180 then 220 for the inside. I'll wait until the box is together before doing anything with the outside.
Bob
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| Author: | James W B [ Sat Oct 13, 2007 7:55 am ] |
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I`m bending a cutaway Rod,so I thought it would help in this area. James |
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| Author: | Rod True [ Sat Oct 13, 2007 8:08 am ] |
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It might indeed. I just want to make sure you know that many EIR sets have been bent to cutaway horns without it. (your probably aware of this) It may be insurance but most likely not needed. Just make sure you have the sides thinned enough and get enough heat into the wood and that EIR will bend like butter. Isn't that stuff a little expensive? I can also understand the desire to get the bend right too. I've broken a few sets of sides over the last little while and It really hurts breaking wood while bending. I won't mention it again 
Pictures of your progress would be great to see James
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| Author: | James W B [ Sat Oct 13, 2007 10:27 am ] |
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Last cutaway attempt tried to crack.Scared the bee jeebers out of me.So this time I got chicken.The sides seemed a little damp today so I made end blocks.I`ll see what tommorrow brings. James |
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| Author: | KenH [ Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:58 am ] |
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James, if you havent tried the super soft II for beinding figured woods, you ought to give it a whirl. I just bent some curly maple sides for an OM cutaway with a really tight bend and it worked like a dream. I could almost bend the sides without any heat. |
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| Author: | Michael Dale Payne [ Mon Oct 15, 2007 12:29 am ] |
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I have not used it yet on EIRW but the first attempt to use is several months ago when I posted the results, was on Curly Narra After the three days of set up prior to bending I had a nasty stain on the Narra. But after the bend the stain was gone. I tested on Mahogany and the same issue prebend and a little stain after the bend, but sanded out quickly. So I tested on some maple. Really bad stain before the bend. Almost none after the bend. It seems that the stain is disappearing as as the glycol gets cooked out. |
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