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Author:  Greenman [ Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:25 am ]
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Do you guys make kerfing or is it not worth it. I am retired so I have more time than money so I was trying to come up with a way to make up a bunch of it in a couple hours. I was thinking of making reverse kerfing. A guy in Guitar Maker had a jig for his bandsaw but he only cut one strip at a time and indexed it by eye rather than a pin to be exact. Anyone see any jigs. I realize the kerfs have to be around 1/32 so it has to be cut with something with that kerf. I was just thinking at $4 to $5 for 32" it might be worth building a special jig. I just bought some from Bob Tibbits at http://www.guitarwoods.net/ and his prices were a little better. I also bought 8 spruce sound boards and bracing and other stuff. Good guy to deal with- check him out.
Author:  Alain Lambert [ Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:56 am ]
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There are several jigs in the archives chaek this one
K-Sled
Author:  jfrench [ Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:15 pm ]
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I got tired of never having enough on hand so I started making it. Its not very difficult, its cost effective and it gives you an opportunity to make something out of otherwise wasted offcuts.

I went from making kerfed lining to making solid linings to making laminated linings. I personally like the laminated ones the best, it simplifies the build process for me.
Author:  KenH [ Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:40 pm ]
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I make my own using the Ksled. I am now contemplating making a much faster rig using some small 3" thin kerf circular saw blades I found at the flea market. This will be similar to a table saw with a gang of blades on it to saw about 4 kerfs at once. I'll post something on it when I get it working right.
Author:  KenH [ Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:45 pm ]
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I just looked at the link you posted. I have bought woods from this guy before on ebay. It is all good stuff and he has sent me a couple of samples of his kerfed lining as well... all nice looking stuff.....expensive, but nice..
Author:  Rick Turner [ Tue Oct 16, 2007 3:57 pm ]
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I cannot imagine why anyone would want to make kerfing when Kerfing Tom Peterson is up there in Sonoma County doing nothing but making kerfing...for everyone in any kind of production here in the US.   His product is excellent, it's cost effective, and you can get great deals on broken lengths if you don't mind piecing it around inside your guitars.   That's what we do for our closed box Renaissance semi hollow guitars.   
Author:  KenH [ Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:28 pm ]
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got a link?
Author:  Allen McFarlen [ Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:03 pm ]
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I made a k-sled and it works great, but I switched to laminated linings. I like them better and I'm in no rush to get anything done. They certainly make the rims more solid.
Author:  TonyKarol [ Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:48 pm ]
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Find the thread of mine called 'some jigs' or something similar to that - I show pix of my table saw sled for making reverse kerf with 3 diablo blades. Pretty easy to do, and you get to make the stuff whatever size you want, out of whatever material you want.
Author:  Kim [ Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:11 pm ]
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If you ever had to pay the ridiculuos shipping cost from USA to Anywheresville Earth, you would soon understand why some people would bother to make their own kerfed linings. That is why I took the time to do the Ksled tutorial, it may not be overly beneficial for some, but there is more than one kind of builder on this forum. And besides, using the Ksled is real easy and fast and lets you use up your scrap, and that is a good thing all round because your kids and grandkids will respect you and your product more for it.

Cheers

Kim
Author:  Howard Klepper [ Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:02 am ]
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I make it every day, as a by-product of sawing. Don't even have to think about it.
Author:  Michael Dale Payne [ Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:32 am ]
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Iwas going to say the same thing Howard

kirfling is the saw dust Kerfed Linings what they mean
Author:  Brock Poling [ Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:38 am ]
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[QUOTE=Howard Klepper] I make it every day, as a by-product of sawing. Don't even have to think about it.[/QUOTE]

Do you ever feel like Don Quixote?
Author:  Brock Poling [ Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:44 am ]
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Jousting @ windmills was the part I was referring to...

Author:  Howard Klepper [ Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:34 am ]
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I feel more like Rocinante.

But seriously , I do not joust at windmills. My targets are all valid and well-chosen, and I enjoy the complacent satisfaction of those who know they are right. [insert appropriate emoticon here]
Author:  Brock Poling [ Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:23 am ]
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[QUOTE=Howard Klepper]My targets are all valid and well-chosen[/QUOTE]

Well... If it is any consolation ... I cringe every time I hear it called kerfing... and I have you to thank for that.   

So the message is getting through.   
Author:  rlabbe [ Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:54 am ]
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[QUOTE=Howard Klepper] I feel more like Rocinante.

But seriously , I do not joust at windmills. My targets are all valid and well-chosen, and I enjoy the complacent satisfaction of those who know they are right. [insert appropriate emoticon here][/QUOTE] So, should we expect you to take up over "bedding, ceiling, holding, carpeting, landing, shaving, binding, sewing, stitching, rigging, roofing, lining, housing, tubing, scaffolding, sacking, sheeting, ticking, earnings, sweepings, moorings, hangings, sheeting", etc.

All cited by the OED as legitimate nouns for a material constructed from the results of an operation, such as, I don't know, kerf?.

cite (only works if you have a subscription to the OED).
Author:  Billy T [ Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:10 am ]
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[quote]But seriously , I do not joust at windmills. My targets are all valid and well-chosen, [/quote]

So were Don Quixote's!
Author:  Brock Poling [ Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:01 am ]
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[QUOTE=rlabbe] [QUOTE=Howard Klepper] I feel more like Rocinante.

But seriously , I do not joust at windmills. My targets are all valid and well-chosen, and I enjoy the complacent satisfaction of those who know they are right. [insert appropriate emoticon here][/QUOTE] So, should we expect you to take up over "bedding, ceiling, holding, carpeting, landing, shaving, binding, sewing, stitching, rigging, roofing, lining, housing, tubing, scaffolding, sacking, sheeting, ticking, earnings, sweepings, moorings, hangings, sheeting", etc.

All cited by the OED as legitimate nouns for a material constructed from the results of an operation, such as, I don't know, kerf?.

cite (only works if you have a subscription to the OED).[/QUOTE]

I doubt it... I only have so much excess brain capacity. An ample portion have to be dedicated to keeping heart beating and my breathing regular.

Author:  Howard Klepper [ Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:28 am ]
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You miss the point, Roger. It is not a generalized complaint about nounifying a gerund. It's about thingifying a void. Like calling donuts "holing." But I've done this too many times and need to move on. I think I have planted the seed.
Author:  Bob Long [ Thu Oct 18, 2007 5:52 am ]
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I think it was Ervin S. who pointed out that... "A kerf is the only thing in the universe that disappears if it gets too big".

long
Author:  rlabbe [ Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:40 am ]
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[QUOTE=Howard Klepper] You miss the point, Roger. It is not a generalized complaint about nounifying a gerund. It's about thingifying a void. Like calling donuts "holing." But I've done this too many times and need to move on. I think I have planted the seed.[/QUOTE] We are not thingifying a void. We are nouning a verb. Kerf is a verb and a noun. As a verb, it is the act of cutting. Using -ing to turn it into the result of the verb action is very standard English - the OED sites "writing" as its example. We write, and the result is "writing". We cut slots (kerf) in a piece of lining, and end up with kerfing. We are in no way using the noun form of the word and adding ing to it, in which case I'd share your objection.

Don't think I'm arguing with you (in the perjorative sense), I enjoy this level of English nitpicking. I don't really care if you regard the usage differently than me.

Author:  Howard Klepper [ Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:53 am ]
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I suppose I have to repeat what I have said many times before, but I promise this will be the last time:

'Kerf' is not accepted as a verb by most dictionaries. Being easygoing about usage, I have no problem with using it as a verb.

Having accepted 'kerf' as a verb, I go on (being so liberal and easygoing) to accept the verb participle 'kerfing' and the gerund 'kerfing' (for those of you who have forgotten, a gerund is a hybrid of noun and verb. It is a noun in that it names an action, but uses adverbial modifiers). So I am fine with saying "Roger is kerfing his linings" (present participle), or "Roger's kerfing of the linings was neatly done" (gerund). I draw the line at going from there to the noun 'kerfing' (as in "Roger made a piece of mahogany kerfing"), not because I think it's wrong to use a noun form of a verb, but because 'kerf' did not start out as a verb. It started as a noun designating a void. As a noun based on the noun 'kerf', it would be awkward, and ought to designate a mass quantity of voids. It is the equivalent of calling donuts "holing," (a donut has a hole, as a piece of wood may have a kerf, and one can hole a donut, as one can kerf wood, and the act of doing that can be called holing, as the act of cutting kerfs can be called kerfing); not the equivalent of calling written work "writing." And if you heard people starting to call donuts "holing," you might think (I would) that they are unclear about the hole concept.

In short, my objection is substantive, not formal.

I promise not to explain this any further, lest people figure out that I have too much free time.
Author:  Michael Dale Payne [ Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:16 am ]
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Thats Ok Howard we don't mind But you are right I got spanked using that term to describe kerfed ribbing in curved cabinets by my grandfather.

We all knew what was being talked about without being gramaticly correct.

I personally took your first comments more as a poke in the sides or funning (not a real word, just covering bases here )more so that an call down. Kind of like French Polish vs French polish. multicultural ethnic group vs. a finishing technique
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