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Author: | Robbie O'Brien [ Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:15 am ] |
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If you follow the Brazilian news here is a story about a criminal ring that involved a Brazilian luthier getting busted for exporting illegally about 13 tons of BRW over th elast 4 years. Quinta-Feira , 18 de Outubro de 2007 Extracao ilegal de jacaranda A policia federal faz operacao em seis Estados do Sudeste e Nordeste - e no Distrito Federal -contra a extracao ilegal de jacaranda. Uma quadrilha contrabandeava para os Estados Unidos e Canada instrumentos musicais feitos com a madeira nobre. Um violao, por exemplo, podia ser vendido no exterior por US$ 800, cerca de R$ 1.600,00. A policia federal acusa o grupo de ter derrubado arvores em extincao no Brasil. O homem apontado como chefe da quadrilha foi preso num predio, na regiao sul da capital. Rodrigo Moreira e luthier, um especialista na fabricacao de instrumentos musicais. Numa pagina na internet, ele oferecia violoes, guitarras e acessorios. Sorry, the story is in Portuguese but it should be out on some site in English by now if someone wants to look for it. Here is another story in another Brazilian paper about it. They called it Operation wooodstock and it envolved numerous Brazilian agencies as well as the US Fish and Game agency. Many corrupt agencies in Brazil faciltated the illegal actions and a bunch of folks are going down it sounds like. OPERACAO WOOD SOTCK REPRIME EXTRACAO DE MADEIRA NOBRE BELO HORIZONTE/MG – A Policia Federal iniciou hoje, 18, a operacao Wood Stock, com objetivo de desmantelar uma organizacao criminosa que atuava na extracao e exportacao de madeiras nobres, em especial a Jacaranda-da-Bahia, que e utilizada para fabricacao de instrumentos musicais. A operacao, que conta com o apoio da Policia Militar de Minas Gerais e do Instituto Estadual de Florestas, ocorre nos estados de Minas Gerais, Espirito Santo, Sao Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, Bahia, Piaui e no Distrito Federal. A acao conta com o efetivo de 350 policiais federais e 50 policiais militares do estado de Minas Gerais, que cumprirao cerca de 20 mandados de prisao e 67 mandados de busca e apreensao. As investigacoes, que iniciaram ha cinco meses, revelaram que a madeira era extraida principalmente no sul da Bahia e enviada de forma fraudulenta ao Espirito Santo e Minas Gerais para beneficiamento e exportacao. O corte da madeira era feito sem documentacao legal e seu transporte para outras localidades era procedido com a utilizacao de documentos que acobertavam somente parte da carga, e com valor subestimado. O grupo ainda utilizava notas fiscais “frias” para “esquentar” a madeira, dificultando a acao da fiscalizacao. O principal foco da atividade predatoria localiza-se na mata atlantica, sendo que a atividade se concentrava mais no sul da Bahia e norte do Espirito Santo. Os policiais identificaram que nos ultimos quatro anos foram exportadas pelo menos 13 toneladas do produto. A investigacao foi desenvolvida com auxilio de cooperacao internacional nos Estados Unidos por meio da U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, agencia norte-americana de repressao aos crimes ambientais, que passaram a monitorar as remessas de madeira para aquele pais. A participacao de servidores publicos no esquema fraudulento era decisiva. Eles comunicavam previamente os madeireiros sobre fiscalizacao e batidas policiais, o que facilitava a ocultacao dos ilicitos. Ha casos em que agentes publicos utilizavam suas influencias para liberacao de cargas irregulares. A madeira Jacaranda-da-Bahia e classificada pelo Ibama como especie da flora brasileira ameacada de extincao, e sua exploracao tem que estar de acordo com o que determina o Conselho Nacional do Meio Ambiente- CONAMA. Como ainda nao foram estabelecidos criterios tecnicos que assegurem o manejo sustentavel de tal especie, sua exploracao esta proibida. Sera concedida entrevista coletiva na sede da Policia Federal em Belo Horizonte as 15h. Por Comunicacao Social da PF em Belo Horizonte/MG (31) 3330-5270 (61) 9119-6634 |
Author: | JJ Donohue [ Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:26 am ] |
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Gracias, Roberto! Let us know if you run across an English version! |
Author: | TRein [ Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:50 am ] |
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From the St. Louis Post-Dispatch: "Brazilian police launched an operation to dismantle a gang alleged to have illegally cut down and exported to the United States a rare wood commonly used to make musical instruments. Some 350 federal officers, backed bt state police and government agents, arrested 23 people and were searching for two others. Police also began serving 67 search and seizure warrants for the illegal extraction of Brazilian rosewood, and endangered tree species native to eastern Brazil and found only in this country, federal police said. Rosewood is legally protected by Brazilian law and by CITES." A quick check on eBay this morning showed no offerings from the Brazilian sellers of rosewood. |
Author: | LanceK [ Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:09 am ] |
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Thursday, October 18, 2007 Extraction of illegal jacaranda The federal police is operating in six states of the Southeast and Northeast, and The federal district-against illegal extraction of jacaranda. A gang contrabandeava to the United States and Canada Musical instruments made with the noble wood. A guitar, for example, could be sold abroad for $ 800, Approximately $ 1600.00. The federal police accused the group of having toppled trees in the extinction Brazil. The man appointed as head of the gang was arrested in a Building, in the region south of the capital. Rodrigo Moreira is luthier, a specialist The manufacture of musical instruments. In a page on the Internet, he offered guitars, guitars and accessories. Sorry, the story is in English but it should be out on some site in English by now if someone wants to look for it. Here is another story in another Brazilian paper about it. They called it Operation wooodstock and it envolved numerous Brazilian Agencies as well as the US Fish and Game agency. Many corrupt agencies In Brazil faciltated the illegal actions and a bunch of folks are going down It sounds like. OPERATION WOOD SOTCK REPRIME EXTRACTION OF WOOD NOBRE BELO HORIZONTE / MG - The Federal Police began today, 18, the transaction Wood Stock, in order to dismantle a criminal organization That served in the extraction and export of fine woods, especially the Jacaranda-to-Bahia, which is used for the manufacture of instruments Musical. The transaction, which has the support of the Military Police of Minas Gerais and State Institute of Forestry, occurs in the states of Minas Gerais, Espirito Santo, Sao Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, Bahia, Piaui and in the Federal District. The action has the full 350 federal police and 50 police Troops of the state of Minas Gerais, which meet about 20 Warrants of arrest warrants and 67 search and seizure. The investigations, which began 05 months ago, showed that wood It was extracted mainly in the south of Bahia and sent in Fraudulent to the Holy Spirit and Minas Gerais for processing and Export. The cutting of timber was done without legal documentation and its Transport for other locations was conducted with the use of Documents that acobertavam only part of the load, and with value Underestimated. The group also used fiscal notes "cold" for "Hot" the wood, hindering the action of supervision. The main Focus of predatory activity located on the Atlantic forest, and that Most activity was concentrated in the south of Bahia and north of the Holy Spirit. The police identified that in the past four years were exported At least 13 tons of the product. The research was developed With the help of international cooperation in the United States through U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, North American agency of the repression Environmental crimes, which came to monitor the shipments of wood For that country. The involvement of public servants in the scheme was fraudulent Decisive. They communicated previously on the timber Surveillance and police beats, which facilitated the concealment of illicit. There Cases in which public officials used their influence to release Loads of irregular. The wood Jacaranda-to-Bahia is classified as IBAMA kind of Brazilian flora threatened with extinction, and their operations must be in According to what determines the National Council on the Environment - CONAMA. How have not yet been established technical criteria that Ensure sustainable management of this species, their farm is Prohibited. It will be granted collective interview at the headquarters of the federal police in Belo Horizonte to 15h. By Media of PF in Belo Horizonte / MG (31) 3330-5270 (61) 9119-6634 |
Author: | Robbie O'Brien [ Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:28 am ] |
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Pretty good translation Lance. |
Author: | Brock Poling [ Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:43 am ] |
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So that is "the" Rodriguo that everyone has been talking about... wow.. |
Author: | jfrench [ Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:45 am ] |
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Rodrigo Moreira was involved? I don't know much about him, but I have heard of at least one very famous maker who gets his BRW from him. There was a big bust in Spain a couple years ago as well. |
Author: | Don Williams [ Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:59 am ] |
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[QUOTE=Brock Poling] So that is "the" Rodriguo that everyone has been talking about... wow..[/QUOTE] Yes, I do believe it is. The strange thing is that I've seen some of his wood, and it's old growth, so they either they were truly finding old house beams and using them, or they were some big old trees getting cut. I hate to admit it, but part of me wishes I had got some from him before the supply dried up, but the other part is very glad I didn't... |
Author: | Robbie O'Brien [ Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:20 am ] |
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Being caught with BRW in Brasil is a a crime you can't pay bail and get releaed from jail. Even if you are finding old beams and stuff and processing it you still have to have paperwork. From my understanding there is only one guy in all of Brazil that has the authorization to give the paperwork. I could be wrong though. |
Author: | Rod True [ Fri Oct 19, 2007 5:17 am ] |
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You know what the worst part of all this is. That wood will most likely never see the light of day.........or............ it will get sold underground by some crooked cops who will make a mint or it may just get burned. Governments can be so stupid at times. (no political opinions here, just the facts ) |
Author: | joelThompson [ Fri Oct 19, 2007 5:47 am ] |
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I know that there was bust in spain last year that a couple of well known dealers were involved in that hauled over 4 tons. as far as i know the people involved have recived at least 4 years imprisonment. To be honest i am glad that cites is doing its job even if the wood then goes to wast. I would rather not use the wood now and have future generations enjoy it than pay over the odds for unethicaly harvested wood that just puts money into the pockets of corupt government officials and gangs. There is no doubt its a beutifull wood. but in this day and age we have more choice than any other generation we should be happy with what we have and give mother nature a chance to heal herself. Personaly i wont be using rio unless i KNOW FOR CERTAIN that it is pre ban wood. Sorry for the rant its a subject that many people feel strongly about but few realy understand. And being someone who wants to venture into the world of tonewood sales its a subject i have thought long and hard about. Thanks for reading. Joel. |
Author: | JohnAbercrombie [ Fri Oct 19, 2007 6:21 am ] |
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My two cents worth on this... Banned wood/BRW is like the problem with drugs- it's a problem of demand, mostly here in North America and the rest of the N. hemisphere. Until people start saying 'yuk!' instead of 'wow-awesome!' when they see BRW in a new guitar (or on a vendor's website, or here in the OLF) , this situation will not change much. It probably doesn't make much difference in the 'big picture', since the rain forests will be mostly a memory for 'future generations' anyway. This is probably getting into the 'politics' zone, so I will quit my rant now! John |
Author: | Don Williams [ Fri Oct 19, 2007 6:53 am ] |
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John you're right when you say it's a demand issue. How does a luthier tell a customer he can't and won't offer Brazilian? It can be a hard thing to do. Some customers are going to search the stuff out, and pay the price for it no matter what. Those particular customers have lots of money, and it's hard to not do business with them, and even harder to get the customer to accept an available alternative. The problem is that alternatives are getting more and more scarce as well, and we're seeing the substitute species getting added to the CITES list as well. Cocobolo, Honduran Rosewood, and Honduran Mahogany have all been listed recently. Fortunately, unlike Brazil, India has been smart about planting rosewood trees, and while the supply is shrinking, at least they have a mindset to plan for the future of the species and help the industry survive. By the way, for all you players out there shopping for guitars.... ...Quercus Rubra is the next Brazilian. Ask for it! |
Author: | Don Williams [ Fri Oct 19, 2007 6:59 am ] |
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No Hesh, it won't rubra the wrong way. In fact, it's relatively inexpensive, but has good sized pores to fill so requires a bit more work for finishing. |
Author: | Rick Turner [ Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:07 am ] |
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Having sawn a lot of stump BRW, I can tell you that four tons is not a hell of a lot of wood. If it's four tons of sawn and sized sets, that's one thing, but if it's billets and logs, it's not very much. There is what I'd consider "gray market" wood coming up...the stump wood being reclaimed by legitimate sawyers and supply chain folks. Most BTW trees were originally cut at "breast height"...about three feet above nominal ground level. There are literally thousands and thousands of BRW stumps scattered about, many of which have not suffered too much rot. There is usable wood going down about two feed into the earth, too, on a lot of these stumps. Much of the stump wood has come up legitimately, much has come up not so legit. And bear in mind that legitimate and ethical are not necessarily the same thing in cultures where bribes are often equal to or greater than some civil servant's pay check. I think it's perfectly ethical to use reclaimed stump wood from trees cut down pre-CITES, whether or not "papers" come with the wood. |
Author: | David Collins [ Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:35 am ] |
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It's about time this happened. The article I read mentioned thirteen tons, but over the course of the past four or five years which really isn't that much either. What caught my interest was this line. "As part of this cooperative investigation, Service special agents executed a federal search warrant (Thursday) at a location in central Massachusetts," the office said. The search warrant has been sealed by a court, and further information was not available, the office said. Any speculation who or where this could be? |
Author: | Parser [ Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:40 am ] |
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Sounds like the investigation is ongoing and they aren't releasing any info at this time. I would have to think that of that 13 tons that they know about, some of it is going to the larger manufacturers....Taylor, Gibson, Martin, etc. I would have a hard time believing that 13 tons was only for supplying the hobby/smaller builders. It will be very interesting to see how this shakes down.. |
Author: | tippie53 [ Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:49 am ] |
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I can tell you Martin is very particular and CF Martin does not buy any BRW that does not have legal documentation. If you think about it 13 tons isn't that much .1 tree may weight in at 4 tons. If you figure 1 builder per county per state in the US I don't think 13 tons would supply them. Ebay sales in BRW is where most of this went . I bought a 18 inch wide plank of BRW at an auction 4 years ago. The plank was 4 inches thick and 10 foot long. It took 2 of us to carry. It is a very heavy and dense wood. john hall |
Author: | jfrench [ Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:11 am ] |
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I'd like to know who in MA got busted, too. Its one thing to get BRW without papers. Its another to get it off ebay and have it shipped from Brazil. There was a recent thread here that got (rightfully) busted about some of these shady dealings. I would say that at least in my experience, the hype of Brazilian rosewood is dying a fast death. Amazing that in the classical market no one seems to care anymore... |
Author: | Parser [ Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:54 am ] |
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I have my doubts that someone dealing in large quantities of the stuff is moving it via ebay. 13 tons sounds like that is what they can directly attribute to these guys...there's nothing to say it was 10 times that amount in reality. I would guess 13 tons was all they needed to document in order to justify a move against them. Hopefully Martin and everyone else has their paperwork in order and the Brazilians are the ones who had their hands dirty. I also agree that all of the hype regarding BRW is just that...there is a lot of wood that sounds good...especially when the right person uses it to make a guitar and then the result is paired with someone who plays well. I think the mythic claims attributed to BRW are nothing more than marketing. It sure does look cool tho! |
Author: | Brock Poling [ Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:35 am ] |
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[QUOTE=tippie53] Ebay sales in BRW is where most of this went. john hall [/QUOTE] It's my understanding that Rodriguo was selling some very nice, high end sets... I don't think he was moving any of this on ebay. .. and as far as the Massachussets connection.. isn't this where he was from? |
Author: | Brock Poling [ Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:37 am ] |
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[QUOTE=jfrench] I would say that at least in my experience, the hype of Brazilian rosewood is dying a fast death. Amazing that in the classical market no one seems to care anymore... [/QUOTE] To that point... I have to tell you.... I got a couple sets of Amazon rosewood from Todd @ Allied within the last couple of weeks and they are every bit as nice as BRW. Maybe better... They don't smell quite as nice, but they are outstanding. |
Author: | Don Williams [ Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:38 am ] |
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[QUOTE=Parser] I also agree that all of the hype regarding BRW is just that...there is a lot of wood that sounds good...especially when the right person uses it to make a guitar and then the result is paired with someone who plays well. I think the mythic claims attributed to BRW are nothing more than marketing. It sure does look cool tho! [/QUOTE] Well, I know people would like to think that, but... it really is the real deal. I've never heard guitars that sound as good as guitars built with Brazilian Rosewood. That's not a coincidence. It's not to say that other woods aren't great also, but Brazilian has it's own unique sound that is the fantastic to my ear. There are other rosewoods that are probably awfully close to being its equal though, (Madrose, Amazon, Honduran) but even most of those are now listed with CITES. |
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