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| Author: | Billy T [ Sun Oct 21, 2007 4:48 am ] |
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I've heard a lot about Torres' work with papier mache, I have always been towards the theory that the sides and back really don't contribute to sound much on a guitar. I know the guitar is in a museum in Europe but have had a difficult time finding pictures. I think I've found it though and am trying to confirm of it looks like this! Thanx! 
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| Author: | douglas ingram [ Sun Oct 21, 2007 8:03 am ] |
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While I can neither confirm nor deny the provenance of that guitar, it does not look like any Torres that I've ever seen photos of. Pin bridge, pickguard, Dreadnaught looking body shape, fingerboard markers, very unusual bridge location... |
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| Author: | rlabbe [ Sun Oct 21, 2007 10:05 am ] |
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No. The papier mache guitar is FE14. It has wooden pegs, not machines, is gut strung, not steel like that photo, no pickguard - it looks like a normal guitar of that provence. You can find a photo and extensive documentation in Romanillos' book Antonio de Torres: Guitar Maker - His Life & Work. A book every builder should own, btw. |
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| Author: | letseatpaste [ Sun Oct 21, 2007 11:15 am ] |
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I wonder if all the candy inside it hurts the tone? |
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| Author: | WaddyThomson [ Sun Oct 21, 2007 11:34 am ] |
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Very Good Jon! 
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| Author: | David Collins [ Sun Oct 21, 2007 11:42 am ] |
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Apologies in advance for souding rude, but I'm really tired of hearing the paper mache story. So a D-18 sounds exactly like a D-28, there is no significant difference in tone whether the back is pressed tight up against your gut or held away, and Ovation had the right idea all along. Build two identical Torres style classicals, one with brazilian or cypress back and sides, one with paper mache. I'm sure you will find no significant difference in tone, right? Sorry, but it's a common sense thing. Yes, the top obviously plays the most influential role in producing sound and determining tone. To write off the role of back and sides as insignificant however, is not even worth arguing. |
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| Author: | Billy T [ Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:30 pm ] |
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[quote]I wonder if all the candy inside it hurts the tone?[/quote] Jon: What kind of candy do you think would be more resonant?  
Yes Yes It's clear it a pinata! But is it a Torres?
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| Author: | douglas ingram [ Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:44 am ] |
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DOH! The photo was SO poor, how could we tell? |
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| Author: | jfrench [ Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:02 am ] |
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huh... I thought this thread was a joke, but I'd have never guessed that to be a pinata. |
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| Author: | David Collins [ Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:03 am ] |
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Boy, that went over my head. I thought that image was a really bad sketch you did on microsoft paint or something from recollection, but I didn't want to be quite so rude as to possibly insult your artistic abilities. 
Now the question is whether the tone would be better on the modern non- violent, non-aggresive, politically correct, hallmark pinata, which children pull strings one at a time until it unfurls, or the old whack with a stick, breaking nearby vases, light bulbs and noses type. I obviously prefer the latter. |
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