Official Luthiers Forum!

Owned and operated by Lance Kragenbrink
It is currently Fri Nov 29, 2024 4:08 am


All times are UTC - 5 hours





Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 27 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:46 pm 
Offline
Walnut
Walnut

Joined: Sat Dec 08, 2007 2:03 pm
Posts: 3
Location: United States
Hi everyone,
    After months of shamelessly lurking and borrowing ideas I've finished my first build.  Since everything I know about building came from all of you, it only seemed fair that I finally post the results.
    My previous guitar was built by a college room-mate who sold it to me in '80.  Ever since I've been wanting to build one myself, but it's only since returning from a work stint in Peru about 5 years ago that motivation plus opportunity finally got the best of me.  I came across a piece of perfectly quartered, tight-grained douglas fir in my brother-in-law's garage and asked myself the fatal question, "I wonder if this could make a good soundboard?"
    I was able to find answers to every question along the way in the archives.  The fact that this forum is marked by such generosity and graciousness has given me the courage to post pics.  One of my goals was to use only woods available either here in Northern California or in Peru where I lived previously, and to build from scratch as much as possible. Here are the main stats:

13-fret neck
top:   3-piece douglas fir (The bandsaw I had access to could only re-saw up to 6")
sides:   lightly flamed myrtle
back:   3-piece myrtle (see bandsaw comment above)
neck:   mahogany
bindings, bridge, fingerboard, tuner buttons:   bloodwood
headplate, rosette, tail wedge:   tan oak burl

I took the df down to about >085" and used a hybrid x and redwood lattice bracing scheme.  To my ears it came out sounding pretty good, about as loud as my brother-in-law's d-28 but with more "air" in the treble and more clarity in the bass notes.  The treble breaks up a little if you dig in but for fingerstyle it is just what I wanted.  But then again, since this is my first build, what do I know?  I'm happy, and what else could you want?  I have no plans to sell.

Here's the pics:





 


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 5:29 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa

Joined: Sat Aug 04, 2007 10:37 am
Posts: 590
Location: United States
First name: Michael
Last Name: Shaw
City: Phila
State: PA
Zip/Postal Code: 19125
Country: United States
Welcome...Great looking guitar

_________________
Guitars, guitars and more guitars.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 5:58 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jun 24, 2006 12:41 pm
Posts: 975
Location: United States
First name: Tracy
Last Name: Leveque
City: Denver
State: CO
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Wow, I can't believe this is your first! Cutaway, and bound peghead and
fretboard, very difficult things to do on a first, much less a tenth guitar! You
must be very proud. Congrats on this wonderful achievement! My first was
also myrtle, but I used a cedar top and cocobolo binding. I was too afraid to
do a cutaway. Welcome out of lurkdom, and hope to see more of your work.

Tracy

_________________
Tracy
http://www.luthiersuppliers.com


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 6:25 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 01, 2006 3:25 am
Posts: 3788
Location: Russellville, Arkansas
First guitar, yeah right.

Isn't it just amazing what folks can do on their first.

No doubt you've had experience with wood before.

Thanks for sharing with us.

I get a kick out of a quality lurkingluthier emerging.

Congratulations.   


_________________
http://www.dickeyguitars.com


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 6:25 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 01, 2007 3:15 pm
Posts: 2302
Location: Florida

Really nice looking guitar! Youreally deserve a pat ont he back for pulling off something like this on your first try. Most people take a while befire they attempt some of these accomplishments.


Well done!!


_________________
Reguards,

Ken H


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 6:51 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Sun Dec 25, 2005 7:58 pm
Posts: 2946
Location: United States
Wow First Huhn? Great job!

_________________
Billy Dean Thomas
Covina, CA

"Multi famam, conscientiam, pauci verentur."
(Many fear their reputation, few their conscience)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 11:43 pm 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo

Joined: Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:37 pm
Posts: 499
Location: United States
Paul,

Welcome to the OLF!

Your first, you say! Superb craftsmanship!

With all the red tones going on, your guitar looks quite unique to me!

I really like it! I think the bloodwood and D-fir compliment each other very nicely!

Did you design your own bridge?

Congratulations!!!

_________________
Everything has beauty, But, not everyone see's it!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 12:29 am 
Offline
Old Growth Brazilian Rosewood
Old Growth Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:49 am
Posts: 13388
Location: Ann Arbor, Michigan
First name: Hesh
Last Name: Breakstone
City: Ann Arbor
State: Michigan
Country: United States
Status: Professional
Paul shame on you for lurking so long and then building this beautiful guitar....

Welcome to the OLF!!!

Your guitar looks fantastic and you should be very, very proud my friend.

What did you use for the finish - it looks great?

Congrats and it's great to have you here.



Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 12:43 am 
Offline
Koa
Koa

Joined: Mon Jan 03, 2005 10:29 am
Posts: 556
Location: United States
3 piece back to boot... nice job


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 12:46 am 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:11 am
Posts: 2761
Location: Tampa Bay
First name: Dave
Last Name: Anderson
City: Clearwater
State: Florida
Zip/Postal Code: 33755
Country: United States
Another very nice first guitar! Great job on the cutaway.
Nice headstock inlay too.As Bruce said ,it Is amazing what can be accomplished nowadays with the help of the OLF!
You should be very proud of this first guitar and Welcome to the OLF.
Keep up the fine work.

_________________
Anderson Guitars
Clearwater,Fl. 33755


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 12:55 am 
Offline
Mahogany
Mahogany

Joined: Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:55 am
Posts: 68
Location: United States

Wow! Beautiful!Thanks for sharing the pics and making yourself known!


I'm planning a guitar w/ D-fir top, all local woods for the rest as well. If it comes out half as well as yours I'll be a happy man. Enjoy! What are your plans for build #2?


By the way welcome to the OLF! (old lazy farts)



Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:42 am 
Offline
Koa
Koa

Joined: Wed Jun 01, 2005 6:35 am
Posts: 1325
Location: Kings Mtn., NC, USA
First name: Bill
Last Name: Greene
City: Kings Mountain
State: North Carolina
Zip/Postal Code: 28086
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Welcome, and your guitar is awesome. That's good work. Congrats. I'd say you can stop lurkin' now.

Bill

_________________
Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 2:11 am 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jun 10, 2005 9:51 am
Posts: 2148
Location: San Diego, CA
First name: Andy
Last Name: Zimmerman
City: San Diego
State: CA
Zip/Postal Code: 92103
Country: United States
Focus: Build
Welcome to the OLF
What is it with peoples 1st builds. They look fantastic. I never would have
considered a cutaway on my 1st.

What happened to the learning curve....making mistakes etc.

Wow....I am impressed

_________________
Andy Z.
http://www.lazydogguitars.com


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 2:25 am 
Offline
Koa
Koa
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:21 am
Posts: 805
Location: United States
First name: Jim Howell
Outstanding first guitar!  Welcome to the OLF.  I'll have to second (or third, or fourth) the craftsmanship.  Very nice work.

_________________
Jim Howell
Charlotte, NC


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 2:58 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Mon Mar 19, 2007 7:05 am
Posts: 9191
Location: United States
First name: Waddy
Last Name: Thomson
City: Charlotte
State: NC
Focus: Build
Status: Semi-pro
I QUIT!!! 

Nah, I don't.  Just thinking that the bar keeps rising for firsts around here.  Now we have a cutaway  with a 3 piece back.  Man, it's gonna be hard to measure up.  Not that it's a competition or anything, but is sure drives one to seek perfection in a first build.

Welcome to OLF.  Give us some pointers.  You seem to have the process down pretty well.  How long did it take?  And, again, what is the finish?


_________________
Waddy

Photobucket Build Album Library

Sound Clips of most of my guitars


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 5:05 am 
Offline
Koa
Koa

Joined: Fri Jun 30, 2006 4:23 pm
Posts: 1694
Location: United States
First name: Lillian
Last Name: Fuller-Watson
State: WA
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Welcome Paul. Beautiful first. Stunning.

Don't you think its time for another confession??
This isn't the first time you've held a chisel is it?

_________________
Aoibeann


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 5:19 am 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo
User avatar

Joined: Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:29 pm
Posts: 156
Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA
Hey Paul! Welcome to OLF! That is a very nice first guitar. Much better than
my first. I am very impressed by your willingness to step outside of tradition
with your wood choices. With the current world lumber situation I am all for
using wood out of the backyard and I hope that this type of thing continues.
I wish you had previous builds because I am really curious about your
opinions of the Dfir. Anyway, congratulations and I think you will find that
your first will soon fall prey to your second...and third.... and.... you get the
pic! Thanks for posting.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:50 am 
Offline
Koa
Koa
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 30, 2006 4:33 am
Posts: 1518
Location: Canada
Great Job...
for your first?? Wowser - I hope youll continue to build and share your progress,,, your certainly off to a flying start..
Cheers
Charlie


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 12:05 pm 
Offline
Mahogany
Mahogany

Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:21 am
Posts: 97
Location: Australia
Hi Paul,
Nice guitar.
You should be proud.
The finish looks fab, and I like the wooden keys on the tuners.

Way better than my first build.
Welcome to the OLF.

Cheers,
Claire


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:14 pm 
Offline
Walnut
Walnut

Joined: Sat Dec 08, 2007 2:03 pm
Posts: 3
Location: United States
Thanks for all your kind comments.  Of course, tone is what really matters and unfortunately I am not set up to send any soundclips.  A lot of the design decisions revolved around my skill or equipment limitations, like the 3-piece front and back.  I had no intention when I started to include as many difficult features as I did.  I cursed myself a thousand times for doing so once I got started.
    It is embarrassing to say how much time this build took me.  I started about a year and a half ago, working mostly in the shop of a friend who lived in a nearby town.  I didn't worry as much about the time, which I had, as I did about the money for materials, which I didn't.  There is a good chance that within the year I will be back overseas in a place with limited tools and resources, so I felt that this might be the only guitar I ever build(I'm sure a lot of you are chuckling here).  Being such a cheapskate, I got all the wood except for a small  bloodwood plank (and the top which was originally destined for a stair riser) from a local hardwood store.  The tan oak is from a smallish burl I found on the beach.
    I did a 13-fret neck because I thought the denser douglas fir might need all the help it could get.  The headstock binding, which is repeated around the tail wedge, was left from an unsuccessful first try at making purfling (too wide!).  The pics don't show the numerous goofs I made.  The bridge shape was inspired by a DeJonge bridge and just made sense to me structurally and aesthetically.  The use of wood inlays for the fretboard and headstock was another result of my not wanting to fork out for shell or a jeweler's saw-- besides, I like wood in wood inlay.
    I wasn't sure about the bloodwood for bridge and fretboard at first.  In flash pictures they can come out almost too red.  In reality they are much more subdued, which I like.
    I had a blast, in spite of all the frustrations of jumping in over my head.  I've done a lot of woodworking before, much of it with hand tools, so the woodworking part wasn't as much of a learning curve as was the exacting nature of dimensions and the luthiery/sound part of the equation.  I am already partway into my next build, a redwood-topped (from a old redwood beam I found half-buried in my dad's backyard) classical with an elevated fingerboard.  As you can see, I continue to throw myself upon my sword.  It's so much fun, though.  Thank goodness I'm not trying to make a living at this...



Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:25 pm 
Offline
Walnut
Walnut

Joined: Sat Dec 08, 2007 2:03 pm
Posts: 3
Location: United States
Oh yeah, the finish is french polish on the top and ktm-9 on the rest.  Since I was working in borrowed space I was concerned about fumes and anyway there was no room for a spray booth.
    The part that gave me the most fits was the cutaway.  Thinking that this was a once-off build, I didn't take time to build a proper outside mold.  I also stupidly didn't take the cut-away into account when I originally braced the top, leading to some improvisation.  I almost changed my mind but then thought about those upper frets on a 13-fret neck, which I do sometimes play on.  There was nothing for it (for a pig-headed guy like me, anyway) but to plow ahead.



Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:05 pm 
Offline
Mahogany
Mahogany

Joined: Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:39 am
Posts: 69
Location: Brighton, United Kingdom
Well, I was giong to be building my first soon, but now I've seen this it all seems so pointless.

I mean, a first guitar build, coming out like that? Wow, just wow.

Incredible work, and all I can hope is that this thread has long since dissapeared into the archives by the time my frankenstein-like monster first is finished. That way it won't seem quite so bad...

And yes, to my eyes, yours really is that stunningly good. Well done!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:09 am 
Offline
Koa
Koa
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:55 am
Posts: 1505
Location: Lorette, Manitoba, Canada
Nice job.  I like how the various elements work together.

And, to whom it may concern: I do not like the inference that my participation on this forum, the OLF, means that I'm an old lazy fart.  I'm  not that old!


_________________
Expectation is the source of all misery; comparison the thief of joy.
http://redrivercanoe.ca/


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:58 am 
Offline
Old Growth Brazilian
Old Growth Brazilian

Joined: Tue Dec 28, 2004 1:56 am
Posts: 10707
Location: United States
and welcome to the termites nest


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 27 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 14 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
phpBB customization services by 2by2host.com