[QUOTE=RussellR] A Cave with a very nice lawn Ron ?[/QUOTE]
I heard it was his next door neighbor's lawn that was especially nice...
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| Author: | billb [ Mon Aug 22, 2005 3:03 am ] |
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Has anyone ever used cascamite on a guitar? |
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| Author: | Howard Klepper [ Mon Aug 22, 2005 4:08 am ] |
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Yes. |
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| Author: | Dickey [ Mon Aug 22, 2005 5:46 am ] |
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What is cascamite? Sounds like some kind of really hard glue. |
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| Author: | old man [ Mon Aug 22, 2005 6:16 am ] |
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I'm glad Bruce asked that. I thought maybe I'd been living in a cave since I've never heard of it either. Ron |
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| Author: | RussellR [ Mon Aug 22, 2005 6:29 am ] |
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A Cave with a very nice lawn Ron ? |
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| Author: | old man [ Mon Aug 22, 2005 6:34 am ] |
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Oh, yeah. I don't know how nice it is, it's just big, but trimmed. Ron |
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| Author: | Dave-SKG [ Mon Aug 22, 2005 6:34 am ] |
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Waterproof wood glue used primarily for boat building. Never used it. |
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| Author: | Jerry Hossom [ Mon Aug 22, 2005 6:35 am ] |
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[QUOTE=RussellR] A Cave with a very nice lawn Ron ?[/QUOTE] I heard it was his next door neighbor's lawn that was especially nice...
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| Author: | old man [ Mon Aug 22, 2005 6:40 am ] |
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If it doesn't rain soon, neither of us will have to cut all that grass again this year. It was 105 in Beebe yesterday and dry as a bone. Ron |
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| Author: | billb [ Mon Aug 22, 2005 4:21 pm ] |
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Howard, did you use it to glue everything on the guitar? I just used it to join my top plates. I made sure they were a perfect fit and clamped them really tight. There was no really visible line. Someone recommended that I use it. This is my frist guitar, so i was wondering if it was anygood for guitar building. I can't find hide glue, so I have few alternatives. Is there something that would be better than this that is widely accessable? Thanks |
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| Author: | Bobc [ Mon Aug 22, 2005 6:10 pm ] |
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Bill good old Titebond as well as LMI's white glue will work quite well. Hide glue can be bought online from most of the major suppliers. http://www.lmii.com/CartTwo/thirdproducts.asp?CategoryName=A dhesives&NameProdHeader=Granular+Hide+Glue |
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| Author: | billb [ Tue Aug 23, 2005 2:37 am ] |
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Thanks guys. Ordering stuff isn't really an option I have right now. |
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| Author: | Howard Klepper [ Tue Aug 23, 2005 5:08 am ] |
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Bilb, I just answered the question that had been asked. 
Should you use it on a first guitar: No. Do I use it for everything: No. The only thing for which I use it is laminating double sides. I think Cascamite is a brand name in the UK for a urea-formadehyde glue. The equivalent here is Weldwood Plastic Resin glue. But if it's the really waterproof stuff, it may be a resorcinol glue. |
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| Author: | billb [ Tue Aug 23, 2005 1:14 pm ] |
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And I asked another question.
It is definitely cascamite. It says it on the bag.I did some research on it. As i stated before my options are limited. Is there something else that is widely accessable that I would be able to use. Something that I could find at a hardwood store for example. I live in China. In order find something I have to really search. I have not found hide glue, but I have access to all kinds of white glue. Why wouldn't you recommend using it on my first guitar? Thanks for your help by the way. |
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| Author: | Howard Klepper [ Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:07 pm ] |
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Mainly because you need to mix up a batch and then use it within a couple of hours. Also because it is nearly impossible to take apart after it sets, and some parts of the guitar should be able to be taken apart for repair (or if you don't get it right the first time). It is somewhat brittle and therefore lacks strength if the joints are not very tight (although it bonds very strongly in a good joint), or in a part that needs to be flexible. Some people have found that the joint is more visible on light colored wood because the glue is brown. I'd suggest that you look for a good aliphatic resin glue, which includes the white and yellow glues, for ease of use and repairability. Usually the yellow ones are a stronger grade, although the color is just an additive. If I had to build with just one glue it would be an aliphatic resin ("PVA": poly vinyl acetate) glue. |
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| Author: | Colin S [ Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:58 pm ] |
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[QUOTE=Howard Klepper] Do I use it for everything: No. The only thing for which I use it is laminating double sides. Now that is useful information! I think Cascamite is a brand name in the UK for a urea-formadehyde glue. [/QUOTE] Absolutely right. Colin |
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| Author: | Don A [ Wed Aug 24, 2005 8:27 am ] |
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Bill, can you find gelatin in the grocery stores? It is the same as hide glue but more expensive. Here is a link to Frank Ford's site where he shows using Knoxx unflavored gelatin. Glue link |
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| Author: | billb [ Wed Aug 24, 2005 12:44 pm ] |
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I'm sorry Colin I don't understand your response. Thanks a lot Howard your post was very helpful. Hi Don. Thanks a lot. He recommends it for occasional use and for attaching labels. I don't know if it would be suitable for bridge gluing or for a fret board. I'll on his forum and see what responses I get. |
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| Author: | RussellR [ Wed Aug 24, 2005 6:33 pm ] |
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Bill I think Colin was commenting on the UK brand name part Thanks Russell |
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| Author: | Colin S [ Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:40 am ] |
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Bill, yes Russell's right Cascamite is the UK brand name. The 'Quote' extract didn't work quite how I planned it. The "Now that is useful information!" part refers to Howard saying he used Cascamite for his side lamination, to me that is very useful information. Colin |
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| Author: | Dale M [ Thu Aug 25, 2005 5:48 am ] |
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I`ve used the stuff by the barrel back when I was building wooden boats. Great for boats but I`d not like to bring it in to my guitar shop. Too messy and definately a dark purpleish glue line in light woods. It will stain like crazy! |
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| Author: | billb [ Sat Aug 27, 2005 2:22 am ] |
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I just bought some white glue (Poly vinyl acetate). I used cascamite to join my top plates which were spruce and I had no problem. The thing with cascamite that i have learned is you have to have a perfect fit. I wasn't really sure about using the white glue. I thought it was cheap because everyone's always going on about hide glue and titebond and LMI. This left me a little confused. Anyway, I've got a better understanding now. Thanks a lot guys. Colin, I see
cheers |
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| Author: | billb [ Sat Aug 27, 2005 2:24 am ] |
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heh heh another question How do you take apart something that is glued with white glue? |
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