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| Author: | Shane Neifer [ Wed Dec 28, 2005 6:40 am ] |
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Just an update, I have contacted one of the blade manufacturers who custom make blades for some of the larger guitar producers and they are working on some pricing for me. They work to a tolerence of +/- .0001" but the guitar manufacturers have asked for a tolerence of +/-.00005" so that is also what I have asked for. So these blades will be either 5" or 6" in diametre (any preference?) and will be .025" +/- .00005". You need to use a blade stabilizer with them. I will be suggesting a 3.5" set. I bought mine for less than $15 CDN and I will either find a source for them or will advise on some options for getting these also. Presently the slotting blades are made with a 1 inch or .5 inch arbor but these will have a 5/8 inch arbor and I have asked for 10 teeth per inch, the manufacturers use from 8 to 12 teeth per. At 10 teeth per inch we would see a tooth spacing of about .100". At this point I am not sure of the price (they said I should know in a couple of days) but would only move forward if the price is reasonable when compared to what else is on the market and if there was interest from you. So, I have a couple of questions. Are any of you interested in a blade like this? And do you have any input as to the specs that you think I have either over looked or have advised incorrectly. One further item to consider. A 5" blade will have .75" of exposed cutting area and a 6" bade will have 1.25" exposed. The more blade exposed the greater the chance for deflection. So have a look at your saw and see if you can get enough lift for these small diametre blades and also consider how thick the bottom of your sled is. I have some thoughts on all of this but I will weigh in some more once I get your thoughts. Thanks Shane |
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| Author: | Rod True [ Wed Dec 28, 2005 7:39 am ] |
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Shane, I would consider returning my new blade for one of these if the price was similar. I would love to see a 6" blade as I like to use a thicker sled but I could make a thinner one if needed. Now would you supply the stiffeners as well or just give us a link to buy them. so, I'd take one. |
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| Author: | Bob Steidl [ Wed Dec 28, 2005 7:47 am ] |
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Shane, I'd likely be interested in one as well, depending on where the price came out. Your specs look good to me. I use 5" stabilizers, so I'd prefer a 6" blade; the less exposed, the better. Thanks for doing the digging here. Rod, for what it is worth, my sled (a la Benedetto) puts the fb face right on the saw, so the thickness of the sled is immaterial. |
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| Author: | Daniel M [ Wed Dec 28, 2005 8:00 am ] |
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Shane; If I can't get my blade issues worked out with Stew Mac, I'll need something else. I would prefer the 6" blade. All i'd have to do is widen the slot in my sled to accomodate the blade stiffeners. I'm pretty sure Busy Bee in Canada & Grizzly in the States sell 5" stabilizer sets for a decent price. I look forward to seeing your prices once you get the info back. Thanks for your efforts. Dan'l |
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| Author: | Shane Neifer [ Wed Dec 28, 2005 9:26 am ] |
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Either way Rod. I will try to locate some stabilizers at a reasonable price but House of Tools (where I bought mine) has 'em pretty cheap! I will keep you posted though as I find out more about these blades. I am getting a sense that 6 inch is winning out, and that 3.5 and 5 inch stabilizers would be required for the different configurations. Shane |
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| Author: | TonyKarol [ Wed Dec 28, 2005 9:35 am ] |
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6 inch as well id preferred here - I need more room for my multiscale sled, straight slotted boards go right on the table. The Forrest folks recommend only using a stiffener on one side, as long as its one that has been ground flat, not pressed. I use the Forrest one (got it with the table saw and a WW2 blade as well). My old stew mac one has some blue spots on it, too much use and heat I guess. If the price is right might get a 2 or 3 !!! |
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| Author: | Tom Dowey [ Wed Dec 28, 2005 10:12 am ] |
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I would be interested. 6" preferred. |
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| Author: | Robbie O'Brien [ Wed Dec 28, 2005 10:23 am ] |
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Definitely 6 inch. This allows for 3/4 inch sled material. I need a kerf of .7mm (.0275 inch) The Stew Mac blade says it is .023 inch |
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| Author: | Tim McKnight [ Wed Dec 28, 2005 12:35 pm ] |
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I would be interested in a 6" blade if the price is right. |
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| Author: | dunwell [ Thu Dec 29, 2005 3:46 am ] |
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Howdy Shane, I would also be interested in the 6" blade. Let us know when you have pricing. Alan D. |
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| Author: | Dave Rector [ Thu Dec 29, 2005 3:50 am ] |
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Shane, put me down as being interested in the 6" blade. |
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| Author: | Michael McBroom [ Thu Dec 29, 2005 4:00 am ] |
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Me too. 6". Best, Michael |
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| Author: | Ray L [ Thu Dec 29, 2005 10:16 am ] |
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Shane, I'd be interested in a 6" blade if the price is right. Ray |
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| Author: | Shane Neifer [ Thu Dec 29, 2005 11:45 am ] |
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I talked with the manufacturer today and redifined the specs as follows: 6 inch diamtere, .025 kerf, 8 teeth per inch. They were talking about creating some 'relief' in the sides of the blade to reduce any tendancy of burning. They will also supply a price for blade stabilizers, similiar to LMI's. They are aware of the prices and options available from the two main suppliers and know that the prices have to be inline with them. They indicated I should have word tomorrow. Shane |
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| Author: | MLAnderson [ Thu Dec 29, 2005 11:50 am ] |
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Shane, I'd like to get in also. These group buys are the way to go. Oh 6" for sure. Mark |
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| Author: | Rod True [ Thu Dec 29, 2005 1:16 pm ] |
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Well I think that sucks that they know both LMI and Stew-Mac's price, cause it would be nice to get the blade for less (ie: $50 Canadian would be nice) One other thing, we don't need the company to work to a tolerance of 0.00005". That is just overkill and we don't need these blades to be lapped. A tolerane of +/-0.0005" is totally fine for this blade. Lets not pay more for it than we need to because as one machinist always told me, the more the tolerance decimal moves over to the left, the more dollar decimal moves over to the right. Also, a measurement helt to a tolerance like +/-0.00005" can change just from breathing hot air on it. Hold the steel in your hand for 5 minutes and the dimension will change, garanteed. Think about it, the wood will expand and contract more than 0.001" over the seasons. That's my two cents worth. |
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| Author: | Shane Neifer [ Thu Dec 29, 2005 1:24 pm ] |
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OOOP's! I slipped a digit Rod. I meant .0005" tolerance. They typically make 'em to .001". I am not second guessing the price yet. We should know tomorrow. What I do like is that this company knows what we are after and is aware of the purpose for which they would make them. I wouldn't want to get something with just absolutely the wrong tooth profile of something that ended up just making a mess. Update tomorrow! SHane |
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| Author: | Rod True [ Thu Dec 29, 2005 1:51 pm ] |
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Cool, Thanks Shane |
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| Author: | Roy O [ Sat Dec 31, 2005 2:27 am ] |
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Shane, Depending on the price I may be interested in one too. Thanks, Roy |
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| Author: | Rod True [ Sat Dec 31, 2005 4:33 am ] |
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Roy, check out the post on the prices, that seems to be the place where the "count" is happening. |
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