Hi Andy: This is what I use. Not saying it is any better than simple ropes & wedges or the tent method but just the way I do it. A piece of wax paper is placed below the joint so the plates don't stick to my jig.
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| Author: | Andy Zimmerman [ Sun Jan 29, 2006 1:03 pm ] |
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Hi I don't like my set up for gluing up backs and tops. Could some of you send picts of your set up for this. or What are the best set ups for this, jigs, ropes etc Thanks again Andy |
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| Author: | Tim McKnight [ Sun Jan 29, 2006 1:10 pm ] |
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Hi Andy: This is what I use. Not saying it is any better than simple ropes & wedges or the tent method but just the way I do it. A piece of wax paper is placed below the joint so the plates don't stick to my jig.
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| Author: | letseatpaste [ Sun Jan 29, 2006 1:56 pm ] |
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Here's my jig: 
Here's how it works: 
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| Author: | Dickey [ Sun Jan 29, 2006 2:22 pm ] |
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Jon, I use the same wax paper you do! I've had some of that brown tape too! This is totally amazing, where do you get your tape? I'm out at the moment and had to stoop to ACE hardware blue. It is no cheaper either. I love this little lesson learned. I'm like Tim too, probably no better than any other way, it just works. I joined some leapardwood this week and the white titebond grabbed so quick, that I had to tap with a block and hammer to get it in perfect alignment. First time that happened on this join. I do think I had too much tension on the tapes, if that's possible. Jon, Love the pic of the tape. Very professional lighting and background.  |
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| Author: | PaulB [ Sun Jan 29, 2006 2:25 pm ] |
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I used the tape method for the first time yesterday, it was far superior to the clamps and stuff I've used before, much easier and much much faster (thanks Colin!). I used just normal brown packing tape 'cause it's got a lot of stretch. It doesn't stick to wood too well, but it sticks to itself pretty good without slip. I just ran the tape over the edges and them overlapped that when I taped the other side. |
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| Author: | Dickey [ Sun Jan 29, 2006 2:29 pm ] |
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Andy, I used my gobar deck exclusively for this task before switching to the tape tenting method Jon demo's above. In the gobar, simply appy wax paper and seat one half the top in positioin. Using small shims I locate it in positioni with the go bars. I have another small strip of wax paper for the top of the join and a long strip of slim hardwood 3/4 by 1/16" which I apply to the joint after adding the second half which carries the glue to the joint. As the second half is slid into position, I apply shims and gobars, while aligning the ends of the boards even. Holding gentle pressure on the second board, it is locked into position. It's great too for backs, with marquetry strips, or three piece backs with marquetry. The possibilities are endless. Sorry no pics. But I will go look to see if I have any. The old gobar, old school, but versatile machine it is. |
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| Author: | letseatpaste [ Sun Jan 29, 2006 2:36 pm ] |
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[QUOTE=Dickey] This is totally amazing, where do you get your tape?[/QUOTE] I don't usually like to give away my sources... Let's just call him "Stewart M." ... No wait, that's too obvious, let's just call him "S. McDonald." |
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| Author: | Joe V [ Sun Jan 29, 2006 3:34 pm ] |
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An old time woodworker told me to use only enough pressure to keep the parts together and prevent them from moving. At the time I was putting on several clamps and cranking them all the down. I thought he was nuts. Turned out he knew what he was talking about. For a well joined edge very little pressure is needed. The tape is also a lot easier to store than the jigs. Joe Volin |
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| Author: | Tom Dowey [ Sun Jan 29, 2006 3:52 pm ] |
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I use 8 - 3/4" X 3/4" X 22" long pieces of plywood with #107 rubber bands. Works great. I was taught this by Allan Carruth/Thomas Knatt. |
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| Author: | Dickey [ Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:54 am ] |
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I used that for my first Tom. How about the Hide Glue slip join? anyone do that? Make a joint, the apply hot hide glue, slide the pieces together lay it down and walk away? |
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| Author: | Steve Kinnaird [ Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:58 am ] |
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Well, after Joe's post, I'm a bit reluctant to post this, but I'll do so anyway. Simple hardware stuff: Steve 
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| Author: | Joe V [ Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:39 am ] |
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Steve, Anyone who listens to me is nutty than I am. I bet that jig works great. That's all that counts, right. Joe |
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| Author: | RussellR [ Mon Jan 30, 2006 7:59 am ] |
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Another Alternative 
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| Author: | Steve Kinnaird [ Mon Jan 30, 2006 3:17 pm ] |
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Russ, your jig is how real luthiers do it. Looks great...simple, effective, inexpensive. Steve |
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| Author: | Rob Girdis [ Mon Jan 30, 2006 3:58 pm ] |
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Here is a simple setup. 
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| Author: | RussellR [ Mon Jan 30, 2006 9:40 pm ] |
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HI Steve I can't claim that I invented this, I think the design came from a book by Jim Williams, an Australian Luthier. |
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| Author: | Dickey [ Mon Jan 30, 2006 10:59 pm ] |
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Rob, now we know what caused that train derailment up in your area! 
I have a chunk of that somewhere, great idea. Gotta love the little wedges, simple enough. I love this forum. |
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| Author: | Serge Poirier [ Mon Jan 30, 2006 11:12 pm ] |
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Rob, is that track segment Canadian ?
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| Author: | Arnt Rian [ Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:40 am ] |
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I use the same set up as Rob (I leave whatever heavy object is nearby on there though, usually a jointer plane since I've just been jointing the plates!). It's the only method I've ever used as I made my first guitar the Cumpiano way. |
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