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Guitar Progress, Week Four 4
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Author:  Bruce Dickey [ Fri Mar 03, 2006 2:49 am ]
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Well, it has been fun getting ready for the boat to show up. Michael got me the abalone Dave originally donated. I got it inlaid in the Sitka top. Paul got the linings he furnished into the rimset and glued up and braced the back. He ships it today for Arkansas.

The top is nigh ready for carving, lacking the transverse brace which I'll place after carefully reviewing the actual measurements of the rimset boat. I must say I was impressed with Paul's work, really nice Paul.

So, that's about it. I guess Brock has everthing he needs to bind and purfle this baby. The guitar case evidently won't have a chance to materialize before the ship to Ohio. So it'll probably ship back in the box Paul ships in. Won't be long and this thing will head West to John. Pretty cool.
Author:  Pwoolson [ Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:47 am ]
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Bruce, do you think I should include the mold? Maybe just for extra protection?
Author:  Bruce Dickey [ Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:56 am ]
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I actually think it's safer without it? It would be different if it was totally encased, but the mold actually leaves exposed edges and adds weight. Do you think I need it?

I use the mold on my builds both for the top and back. But when I went to reverse kerfed linings, don't see it as necessary anymore. Old habits die hard. Flex it, make the call, I'll use it if it comes in the box. But if the boat is very stable as I suspect, it might just not be needed. You make the call.

Shipping is a bit less without it too. Where does the mold go when we are done?
Author:  Michael Dale Payne [ Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:57 am ]
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Good going guys. I can't wait to see pics of it closed.

It seems we now have traction and are moving forward.

Lets hear A loud Bravo for the work of out first Three luthiers Lance, Paul and Bruce!! Thanks for pull int through the whole in the wall
Author:  Bruce Dickey [ Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:59 am ]
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Come to think if it, since you didn't use the mold on glueup of the back, I probably should do the same. Your thoughts?
Author:  Pwoolson [ Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:26 am ]
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It's rock solid without it. I've had guitars fall off my vacuum pod, with only a back on them, and go bouncing across the floor, and come out completely unscathed.
I'll pack it well and it should be fine.
Are we auctioning off the mold? I thought that was the plan. Can someone tell me where to send it? I need the space in my shop.
Author:  Bruce Dickey [ Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:08 am ]
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I thought I saw offers to purchase it outright from John Hall. How about it John, or Michael Payne?

Paul, that's what I thought about the rimset, mold free once your linings were attached. The less weight the better I'd say in that box.

Another hand for Mr. Woolson's effort folks!   
Author:  Michael Dale Payne [ Fri Mar 03, 2006 7:10 am ]
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I thought it was puchased out right and donated to the forum to go on auction after the build. I believe I am right but the post was on the Charity build forum and I can not locate anything in the archives from that forum. I need to by the way my complete list of donars was on that forum. I can rebuild it but hope to not have to.
Author:  Bruce Dickey [ Fri Mar 03, 2006 7:26 am ]
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Bruce Dickey---fab top & glue on rimset
Lance K---side bend and tailblock assembly
Paul W---fab back, join back to side assy.
Brock Poling--body purfling and binding
Steve Tool--fab bridge
John How--fab & carve neck
John Mayes--fab fretbd & install side dots
Craig L--peghead & fretbd inlay
Hank Mauel--fret fingerboard
Michael Payne--french polish guitar
Crazymanmichael--final setup

This is one list I had, and I believe I have an entire donor list and sent it to you as well. Look in your email archive. What, you don't have an email archive. For shame, for shame.

I have emails from Frank Ford, Charlie Hoffman, Hank Mauel, Bob Taylor... all those famous people.
Author:  Bruce Dickey [ Fri Mar 03, 2006 7:30 am ]
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[QUOTE=MichaelP] Good going guys. I can't wait to see pics of it closed. [/QUOTE]

Yeah, we wanna see some pics. Paul?
Author:  Michael Dale Payne [ Fri Mar 03, 2006 7:45 am ]
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Ihave got labor but I had an updated copy of the material donors just before the switch over I was going to copy it but it dissapeared before I got the chance. I have all the original but there were a few added after the list I got from you. I thought Lance was going to archive the Charity guitar forum, and he may still do so. If it is lost no big deal I can get it rebuilt.
Author:  Brock Poling [ Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:07 am ]
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[QUOTE=Bruce Dickey]

So, that's about it. I guess Brock has everthing he needs to bind and purfle this baby. The guitar case evidently won't have a chance to materialize before the ship to Ohio. So it'll probably ship back in the box Paul ships in. Won't be long and this thing will head West to John. Pretty cool.[/QUOTE]


2 things...

I have not received any materials regarding binding. I have TONS and TONS and TONS of binding... I am certainly happy to use my own stock, but what are we using? I misplaced my sheet on the specs for what this guitar is made of and how it is appointed.

Second... the case.

I emailed Terry at Cedar Creek, but then learned (via the 13th fret) that he is no longer with the company. So I am not sure what the status of that is. However, if we get the case worked out and someone wants to ship it to me I would be happy to marry the two parts on my end to be shipped off to the next person.

Just let me know.
Author:  Brock Poling [ Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:08 am ]
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[QUOTE=Pwoolson] It's rock solid without it. I've had guitars fall off my vacuum pod, with only a back on them, and go bouncing across the floor, and come out completely unscathed.
I'll pack it well and it should be fine.
Are we auctioning off the mold? I thought that was the plan. Can someone tell me where to send it? I need the space in my shop. [/QUOTE]

I don't need the mold, but if someone has the bending forms I would be happy to borrow them... otherwise I will just bend the binding by hand.

:-)

Author:  Brock Poling [ Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:10 am ]
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[QUOTE=MichaelP]I thought Lance was going to archive the Charity guitar forum, and he may still do so. If it is lost no big deal I can get it rebuilt.[/QUOTE]

Nothing's gone... everything should be in the archive.
Author:  Michael Dale Payne [ Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:30 am ]
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Hmm I did not find it I will try again
Author:  Pwoolson [ Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:18 am ]
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[QUOTE=Brock Poling] [QUOTE=Pwoolson] It's rock solid without it. I've had guitars fall off my vacuum pod, with only a back on them, and go bouncing across the floor, and come out completely unscathed.
I'll pack it well and it should be fine.
Are we auctioning off the mold? I thought that was the plan. Can someone tell me where to send it? I need the space in my shop. [/QUOTE]

I don't need the mold, but if someone has the bending forms I would be happy to borrow them... otherwise I will just bend the binding by hand.

:-)

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Brock, 1) I didn't close it, that's BD's job. I took pics of it which are on the week #3.
2) the case: I think JJ was in kahoots with the new guy at Cedar Creek. You might drop him a line
3) I bent my linings on my SIG mold and they worked out fine. I'm guessing that if you have an SJ mold of any sort, it will probably work. Lance has one if you still need one.
Author:  Bruce Dickey [ Fri Mar 03, 2006 10:35 am ]
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Brock. I was told to use French Fiber Purfling on the rosette. It's fairly simple bwb with the white smaller than the black lines. Propsom can tell us where he procured it possibly. You may even have some?

I waited for the French to match what was on the build schedule, and that's what's on the rosette. Time to find that old Charity Guitar forum and resurrect these notes.
Author:  Bruce Dickey [ Wed Mar 08, 2006 7:51 am ]
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Ding Dong, it's the UPS man. No gorillas, just a regular guy with a smile on his face, trying to make it back to the street before someone runs his truck over.

Paul Woolson finished up the back, sides, and linings, plus neck block with extension. Here is the result, he asked me to take a picture.





























Great job Paul and Lance! Shop temp and RH posted above, tomorrow the top joins the party! Get ready Brock, here it comes, case or not. That was one sturdy box, Paul. Bruce Dickey38784.6642939815
Author:  Michael Dale Payne [ Wed Mar 08, 2006 8:41 am ]
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Paul where are you getting your aspen linings? Are you kerffing them or do you get them pre kerffed?
Author:  Pwoolson [ Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:25 am ]
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MP, I make them. It's an extremely labor intensive process to make this style of linings. First you need to mill the strips to 1" x 1/4" x 36" . Then I run them through a moulding head cutter to put a 1/4" round over on the top. Then they go through the table saw standing upright to cut a "shelf" to accept the cap strip. Then kerfing which isn't the most exciting thing to do. Then the cap strips are cut 1" x .060" x 36". It's these cap strips that make the linings unique. Because they are seperate, they make a sandwich of the whole system which makes them very rigid.
Bruce, are they rigid?
Author:  Michael Dale Payne [ Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:44 am ]
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Aaaaaaaaa It is not really reverse Kerf it is forward kerf that is capped ....Cool
Author:  Bruce Dickey [ Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:38 pm ]
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They are very very rigid. As seen in this photo from Week Three, the mold is only used during end block and linings installation and no longer needed to apply top and back plates. Great design.
Author:  Bruce Dickey [ Thu Mar 09, 2006 4:09 am ]
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That is fixed and ready for the top. Good Old Hide Glue and some Klemmsias. I hear that boat calling my name from here. Aaron's and this one, get topped today, yippee!

Author:  Pwoolson [ Thu Mar 09, 2006 4:10 am ]
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That's a gap that I let pass, assuming that the mortise would cut it out anyway. BD found that the sides slightly hung up on each other which is why it didn't close in the first place. He made a saw kerf and got 'er closed up just fine.
Nothing like having your mistakes posed on the internet.
Author:  Michael Dale Payne [ Thu Mar 09, 2006 4:18 am ]
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Paul what the world. Just kidding bud
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