Im going to be inlaying a vine in an ebony fretboard, nut to 20th fret. Do I inlay it before or after I cut the fret slots, also Does the inlay go in while the board is flat, i.e. before sanding the radius into it?
Thanks..
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| Author: | LanceK [ Thu Dec 30, 2004 1:02 am ] |
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Im going to be inlaying a vine in an ebony fretboard, nut to 20th fret. Do I inlay it before or after I cut the fret slots, also Does the inlay go in while the board is flat, i.e. before sanding the radius into it?
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| Author: | Dave-SKG [ Thu Dec 30, 2004 1:10 am ] |
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I suppose Craig will chime in but here's my two cents worth...Always inlay AFTER radiusing the fret board or will wind up sanding away alot of that pretty inlay. i always slot before inlaying and then use one of stewmac's fretslot saws to carefully cut thru the inlay where it crosses over any slots. |
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| Author: | Michael Dale Payne [ Thu Dec 30, 2004 1:31 am ] |
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Lance I radius and slot first so that I sand the least amount of pearl as possible. I also prefer to plan my inlays so that there are breaks in the pattern at the fret slots. This means more pieces to cut and inlay. but hay,....... I have always been a glutten for punishment...  I started this after I inlayed flat and before sloting one time and had several pieces of super indigo blue paua crack and flake into pieces when slotting. So now I go to the extra trouble of plannin he breaks to keep this from happening. Here is a photo example of the planed breaks...
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| Author: | Michael Dale Payne [ Thu Dec 30, 2004 1:33 am ] |
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Lance I radius and slot first so that I sand the least amount of pearl as possible. I also prefer to plan my inlays so that there are breaks in the pattern at the fret slots. This means more pieces to cut and inlay. but hay,....... I have always been a glutten for punishment... I started this after I inlayed flat and before sloting one time and had several pieces of super indigo blue paua crack and flake into pieces when slotting. So now I go to the extra trouble of planning the breaks to keep this from happening. Here is a photo example of the planed breaks...
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| Author: | Dave-SKG [ Thu Dec 30, 2004 1:34 am ] |
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Beautiful work Michael. I just can't see any reason to plan all thos slot breaks. Seems easier to just cut them when it's done. That's just me I guess 
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| Author: | Michael Dale Payne [ Thu Dec 30, 2004 1:35 am ] |
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did not exspect an edit to creat an additional post.......Oh well |
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| Author: | LanceK [ Thu Dec 30, 2004 1:39 am ] |
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Michael, What ARE those leaves? Not only are they lovely, but they look slightly illegal 
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| Author: | Michael Dale Payne [ Thu Dec 30, 2004 1:39 am ] |
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Like I said, I once had some paua litraly shatter, and it is almost impossible to re-cut to match the routed cavity on intracate inlays. most of the time I will cut the pattern full and cut the breaks after all basic shape cutting is done. this only take a few extra min's. |
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| Author: | Michael Dale Payne [ Thu Dec 30, 2004 1:41 am ] |
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No-No they are japanese Maple leaves not pot leaves... 
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| Author: | LanceK [ Thu Dec 30, 2004 1:43 am ] |
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Um, ya -- OK 
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| Author: | LanceK [ Thu Dec 30, 2004 1:45 am ] |
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Im going to be buying a precut vine from DePaule IF THEY EVER ANSWER MY EMAIL! But anyways, Craig has givin me the confidance to do it my self. So im looking forward to it, and just wanted to start to gather information. |
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| Author: | Michael Dale Payne [ Thu Dec 30, 2004 1:52 am ] |
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Here is the whole neck 
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| Author: | LanceK [ Thu Dec 30, 2004 1:54 am ] |
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Dang ! thats killer! |
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| Author: | Dave-SKG [ Thu Dec 30, 2004 1:55 am ] |
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Lance, I am sure, as the rest of your work attests to, that you will do a fine job. If you are using an ebony fret board any mistakes can be easily filled/corrected. HAVE FUN. I like inlay...especially when it's done and you can stand back and say WOW! I did that!  
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| Author: | Dave-SKG [ Thu Dec 30, 2004 1:57 am ] |
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The whole guitar looks really beautiful Michael. The vine somehow really works well with the Koa. That is Koa isn't it? |
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| Author: | LanceK [ Thu Dec 30, 2004 1:58 am ] |
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Thanks God for Ebony! He was thinking of all us guitar builders! |
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| Author: | Michael Dale Payne [ Thu Dec 30, 2004 2:10 am ] |
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thought I had posted this but I guess not here is a pic of the full neck 
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| Author: | Michael Dale Payne [ Thu Dec 30, 2004 2:11 am ] |
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sure now it showes up |
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| Author: | Michael Dale Payne [ Thu Dec 30, 2004 2:13 am ] |
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I would still radius and slot first. Then cut out the pearl in the slots after inlay. |
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| Author: | Michael Dale Payne [ Thu Dec 30, 2004 2:19 am ] |
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it is a extremly curly piece of Koa. I got it from Steve at Colonial. If you are a finger style player you really want to try a RW/Koa toped Om. It has the most incredable warm tone of any guitar i have ever played more less built. |
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| Author: | Bobc [ Thu Dec 30, 2004 3:13 am ] |
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Mike what do you use to route your inlays? Anything special? Nice work. |
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| Author: | Michael Dale Payne [ Thu Dec 30, 2004 3:25 am ] |
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[QUOTE=Bobc] Mike what do you use to route your inlays? Anything special? Nice work.[/QUOTE] I score with a hardend steel scribe, rout with a Dreml and down cut bits to hog out the easy areas. Then I use dental bits and a good stiff sharp knife for the really tight areas. |
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| Author: | Dave-SKG [ Thu Dec 30, 2004 3:34 am ] |
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I tried to post this above but got an error...Anyway Thanks for the pics and the info Michael. I have been wanting to try that combo for awhile. |
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| Author: | Michael Dale Payne [ Thu Dec 30, 2004 4:02 am ] |
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[QUOTE=Dave-SKG] I tried to post this above but got an error...Anyway Thanks for the pics and the info Michael. I have been wanting to try that combo for awhile. [/QUOTE] If you want to work towards a instrament that has Stong bass, a predominate mid range without lossing the highs it is a wounderful combo and you can really thin the top. This one was .105 at the thickest points after tuning. A small box with a strong voice |
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| Author: | Don A [ Thu Dec 30, 2004 4:51 am ] |
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[QUOTE=LanceK] Im going to be buying a precut vine from DePaule IF THEY EVER ANSWER MY EMAIL! But anyways, Craig has givin me the confidance to do it my self. So im looking forward to it, and just wanted to start to gather information. [/QUOTE] Lance, would you happen to have the link to Keith McKenzie's inlay routing jig. My hard drive crashed and I lost it. It was more detailed than what we have in the jig section. Thanks |
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