Im posting these pictures for Stan, He'll chime in and splaine!
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| Author: | LanceK [ Mon Jan 03, 2005 9:10 am ] |
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Im posting these pictures for Stan, He'll chime in and splaine!
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| Author: | Don Williams [ Mon Jan 03, 2005 9:26 am ] |
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Nice top on that guitar...! Is that redwood or cedar? |
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| Author: | stan thomison [ Mon Jan 03, 2005 12:13 pm ] |
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don it is your fine redwood. have we finished the transaction yet haven't see it in bank statement |
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| Author: | Dickey [ Mon Jan 03, 2005 1:18 pm ] |
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I'm guessing that top is Western Red Cedar. By golly look at those spool clamps. Stan you have to have Italian blood in ya to use spool clamps. I can tell they are working cause the glue is squirtin' out. That only means one thing, you have good contact between the mating surfaces. The weights make a sure augment of the spool clamps too. Great job.  Bruce
P. S. This wouldn't be a soldier's kid's guitar would it? Just wonderin' 
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| Author: | Jeff Doty [ Mon Jan 03, 2005 3:16 pm ] |
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Stan, Cool! I used spool clamps on my kit guitar, and I used iron weights on my 1st guitar! They seemed to work great for me too. Jeff |
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| Author: | Dave-SKG [ Tue Jan 04, 2005 1:09 am ] |
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Hi Stan, Looks like it works real well. I use a bunch of cam clamps but have often thought that the violin type you use would be lighter and every bit as efficient. Aren't you worried about the weights? I just look at my tops and they seem to scratch!
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| Author: | stan thomison [ Tue Jan 04, 2005 1:53 am ] |
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yes this is bruce aaron is the name |
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| Author: | stan thomison [ Tue Jan 04, 2005 1:55 am ] |
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Dave, just set some paper towel under them, tell you truthe it was the first time i put the weight on. I do have some room for sanding scratches out |
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| Author: | Dickey [ Tue Jan 04, 2005 3:16 am ] |
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He might enjoy seeing a picture of it going together? Your call. But even more, he might enjoy knowing it's fer real.... ? |
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| Author: | Dickey [ Tue Jan 04, 2005 3:24 am ] |
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http://www.brockpoling.com/luthiersforum/forum/useruploads/L anceK/2005-01-03_170932_MVC-001S.JPG |
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| Author: | Tim McKnight [ Tue Jan 04, 2005 3:25 am ] |
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Great method Stan but what's up with the PINK bench??? You're not going "gurly man" on us are you? [just kidding]. 
Bruce mentioned seeing the glue running down the outside and it only makes me wonder what is happening inside? Glue drools are reeeeely hard to clean up once the box is together (don't ask how I know). That's one of the reasons that I alsways invert the box and glue the top or back in the opposite position as this counteracts gravity. |
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| Author: | Dickey [ Tue Jan 04, 2005 3:38 am ] |
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Tim, cool idea gluing with the top or back down, never thought of that. I just practice getting the right amount on the rimset. Once you get a feel for how much glue there should be, it doesn't do this. I think Stan will agree it would be better not to have to clean off dried glue from a guitar body. And as you point out, getting one to go away on the inside is nigh impossible. Knock knock knock on wood, I've never had one yet. I've had some tiny beads of glue and maybe a glue line around the outside rim, but the lining slots seem to accept excess in the inside. It's fun getting it really close and still have a good glue job. That is one of the things that you learn as you move up the luthier ladder, huh? |
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| Author: | stan thomison [ Tue Jan 04, 2005 4:08 am ] |
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sure go ahead. it is slow going on this though, keep running into little problems and the shop/basement/garage got flooded with a backed up drain line. Nothing $400 didn't take care of. I hope to work on it some more this week. going to use the fancy new m&t jigs from mark kett |
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| Author: | stan thomison [ Tue Jan 04, 2005 4:15 am ] |
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Tim I wanted to be a "metromale" but it just didn't work out. Lowes had these reject studs for sale at a $1.88 a board. The glue is a thing I at times struggle with. I can get to much (like in this) or then back of and not enough. On this one, I bit the top of bottle like Mayes and when gluing in started coming out the side of the nozzle also. Normally wipe it clean first. I am going to do the invert thing though from now on thanks. I normally don't have weights on top, but when I glued it first time, glued top to back side of rim and then had to remove it an do it again. Just one of those shop things of don't work distracted or tired and in this case no glasses and to fast |
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| Author: | Tim McKnight [ Tue Jan 04, 2005 5:51 am ] |
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Stan: Another tip is to lay the back (if that is what you are gluing) on your dished form with the braces facing up. Now place the body on the back and draw a line around the outside perimeter of the guitar. Now run a bead of glue just inside of the line. Spread the glue with your fingertip so it just touched the line. The bead will now be about 3/8" wide. Now place the body on the glue bead and clamp away. I use a go bar deck and find this is faster than spool clamps but to each his own. |
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| Author: | Tim McKnight [ Tue Jan 04, 2005 5:56 am ] |
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Bruce: One thing I learned (once again... the hard way) is that some customers will nit pick even the teeniset bit of glue squeeze out INSIDE of the guitar and this will often times lose a sale if the inside isn't as pristine as the outside. I have also learned that "Professional Players" are more concerned with tone and playability and less concerned with appearance. So you have to decide which market you are going after. |
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| Author: | Dave-SKG [ Tue Jan 04, 2005 5:58 am ] |
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Just do what I do...hold it up to a fast turning ceiling fan and watch the blade take a nice junk out of the side then you have a great access port to get all that extra glue out. 
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| Author: | Tim McKnight [ Tue Jan 04, 2005 6:00 am ] |
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Stan: I have to admit that I didn't know what the term "metromale" was until I did a search for it. Yikes, what an eye opener. Thanks for not crossing over my friend! (even though you were drawn to those nice pink 2" x 4"'s I'll over look it ;) |
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| Author: | Dickey [ Tue Jan 04, 2005 6:36 am ] |
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Stan, it just looks like you are going to have to paint over those studs with some army green. Then we'll leave you alone. Grin..... 
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| Author: | Don A [ Tue Jan 04, 2005 10:10 am ] |
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[QUOTE=Tim McKnight] Stan: I have to admit that I didn't know what the term "metromale" was until I did a search for it. Yikes, what an eye opener. Thanks for not crossing over my friend! (even though you were drawn to those nice pink 2" x 4"'s I'll over look it ;)[/QUOTE] I tried to search it here at work. The gov blocked the link, so much for all of their "diversity programs" 
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| Author: | Dickey [ Wed Jan 05, 2005 12:00 am ] |
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[IMG] http://www.brockpoling.com/luthiersforum/forum/useruploads/D ickey/2005-01-04_143651_flageagl.gif [IMG] Stan, I just realized by looking through the soundhole, that this is just the top gluing, no back. Do you have a picture of the completed box? Thankx |
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