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| Author: | Rod True [ Sun Apr 09, 2006 3:18 pm ] |
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While congratulating Shane on his recent commision, I got one also. Nothing as elabourate (or nerve racking) as a double neck. A thin line OM with Imbuia back and sides and a nice dark Western Red Ceder top with flamed maple appointments. The customer also wants some celtic inlays. I suggested a ring rosette (Andy Dupaule has them) 
and the celtic symbol for the trinity for fret markers down the fretboard. 
All in Paua Aw-balony 
Should be fun. |
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| Author: | Andy Zimmerman [ Sun Apr 09, 2006 3:20 pm ] |
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how do you inlay that type of rosette???????? |
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| Author: | Rod True [ Sun Apr 09, 2006 3:21 pm ] |
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That's a good question Andy. Time to learn Any help would be appreciated.
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| Author: | Rod True [ Sun Apr 09, 2006 3:24 pm ] |
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Actually looking at the picture, I could inlay it in a flamed maple wood rosette and just take me an enormous amount of time. Or a plain maple rosette and dye the wood black like the picture. Anyone.........Anyone........... Bueller........ Bueller........ |
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| Author: | Shane Neifer [ Sun Apr 09, 2006 4:34 pm ] |
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Right on Rod!!! Another step closer to having BC a hand built Province!  . As for that rosette, I have some black black black ebony veneers for headplates that you could probably inlay the abalone into and then set that into the rosette with some nice purfling lines. you would probably be best to get the abalone first and then just start laying it out on some different woods and messin with it a bit. Also, you could just ask Andy, he probably has some good ideas and maybe even some pictures!
Game on!! Shane |
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| Author: | Bruce Dickey [ Sun Apr 09, 2006 10:22 pm ] |
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Beautiful inlay, good question for Craig Lavin. Nothing looks easy about that inlay, but it is majorly beautiful, good luck, show pics. |
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| Author: | Serge Poirier [ Sun Apr 09, 2006 10:23 pm ] |
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Don't know how to help with the rosette but i'll say Good on ya Rod, very happy for ya and you can count on all my support Man! Way to go Cowboy!
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| Author: | Dave Anderson [ Sun Apr 09, 2006 10:34 pm ] |
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WTG- Rod,That should be fun inlaying that rosette! Sure is perdy though.Good luck with the commission. |
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| Author: | A Peebels [ Sun Apr 09, 2006 10:48 pm ] |
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I'm gonna make a guess that you rout a ring to fit purfling and rosette, glue it all in place then fill it with a black background then level. At least thats how I would do it. Mabe I'm a cheater. Al |
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| Author: | csullivan [ Sun Apr 09, 2006 11:07 pm ] |
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I don't think Al's a cheater. An inlay that's already cut and assembled like this rosette would probably be next to impossible to get looking good if you tried to cut outer rings that mated to the edge of the rosette (let alone trying to cut little pieces to fit into each of those little cutouts!!!) It's accepted practice to place (glue) an inlay like this into a channel and fill everything with a black mastic (black epoxy works fine), then level. My $.02. Craig S. |
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| Author: | Pwoolson [ Sun Apr 09, 2006 11:25 pm ] |
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Rod, if Andy made this using CNC technology, it wouldn't be that hard for him to cut the cavity. Sort of reversing the cuts if you will. If indeed he can do it, it would look amazing inlaid into a wood ring that matches the binding. Imbuia (shudders)...have you worked that before? I made one and it made my arms break out in a scabby rash that took 6 months to clear up. I'll never touch the stuff again. |
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| Author: | old man [ Sun Apr 09, 2006 11:38 pm ] |
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I'd put a black (ebony) purfling line on each side of it, fill the trench with ebony dust in epoxy and let it squish up through all the holes. |
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| Author: | Brock Poling [ Mon Apr 10, 2006 12:16 am ] |
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If you want to inlay it on black here is what ** I ** would do. I would route the cavity deep enough for the inlay to stand just a tiny bit proud of the surface and wide enough to leave how ever much space you want on each side. Seal the entire thing very well with shellac. Position the inlay where you want it and tack it down with a couple drops of med super glue. Then I would fill the entire cavity with ebony dust and flood it with CA. When that dries I would repeat the process until the entire cavity is filled flush. Level sand it. And then if you want purflings I would route for these and install them last. If you want other colored backgrounds I would look first to colored epoxies, but you might experiement with these first. |
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| Author: | Rod True [ Mon Apr 10, 2006 12:21 am ] |
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Thanks for all the suggestions on the rosette, you guys all rock. I think the way to go is to route the chanel to the ID and OD of the ring and fill all the cavities with ebony dust or black epoxy, I don't think it will be too hard that way, but I would still like some matching binding wood on either side of it, sort of like this 
We'll see once I get the piece and play around with it. Paul, I havn't worked with the Imbuia yet, thanks for the info on your experience with it. Long sleaves, full shield and the dust collector and air filter on full blast when working it than. |
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| Author: | Colby Horton [ Mon Apr 10, 2006 12:47 am ] |
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Rod What do you mean by a thin line OM? Is this just one that is less in depth than the normal? Keep us posted on the progress of that inlaying. I'll be looking forward to seeing how it comes out. |
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| Author: | LanceK [ Mon Apr 10, 2006 12:51 am ] |
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Rod, congrats on the Commission. One warning, if you've ever routed CA before the smoke is terrible! Use a fan to blow it away from your work area. Ive had to rout off a few bindings before that went on with CA and the smoke burns my eyes like nothing else. |
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| Author: | Rod True [ Mon Apr 10, 2006 5:30 am ] |
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Thanks for the warning Lance, I be sure to use the full face respirator if I route through and CA  .
Colby, I don't know what the standard OM depth is, 4-1/2" would be my guess, I do mine at 4-1/8" at the tail and 3-1/2" at the neck. So I call this a thin line OM. It's all made up till I hear something better anyway 
Gee, I just looked at my specs on Martin OM's and they are 4-1/8" Max depth as well, so I guess it's just normal. |
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| Author: | L. Presnall [ Mon Apr 10, 2006 5:36 am ] |
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Congrats Rod! Nothing like someone wanting to buy one of your guitars! I agree with the "rout a big channel, glue it down and fill it" advice...I've used black epoxy, Ebony dust and CA, and both work well...as for the rosette being CNC'd...Andy's stuff is all hand-cut...those dudes (do they say, "dude" in Viet Nam?  )in Viet Nam are amazing!
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| Author: | Rod True [ Mon Apr 10, 2006 5:38 am ] |
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Ya, his stuff looks so amazing. Just waiting to hear back from him. |
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| Author: | Rod True [ Mon Apr 10, 2006 5:56 am ] |
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I just got off the phone with Andy, nice man. All his stuff is hand cut. The rosette is cut in multiple pieces, so that should be fun. |
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| Author: | Michael Dale Payne [ Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:39 am ] |
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perfed full width channel and fill with black tinted epoxy or like Brock said ebony dust |
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| Author: | MSpencer [ Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:50 am ] |
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Congrats Rod! Mike |
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