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| Author: | Aust Tonewoods [ Wed May 03, 2006 10:21 pm ] |
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Just a glimpse for you into the Tasmanian logging area after the big timber has been taken for various purposes. You will notice that the logging operation looks more a like a disaster area. Occasionally a stump will be found that has merit. In this case the stump does have some figure but the recovery is not that great. 
From these three sections we should be able to obtain some medium to high figure. 
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| Author: | PaulB [ Wed May 03, 2006 10:25 pm ] |
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And the rest of it is a big pile of wood chips on it's way to asia. Why do we allow them to do that to our wilderness? |
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| Author: | Aust Tonewoods [ Wed May 03, 2006 11:39 pm ] |
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Therein lies the dilemma. In contrast 15 miles down the road stands a selectively harvested forest that has regenerated over the last 40 years. It actually looks like virgin forrest! |
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| Author: | Don Williams [ Wed May 03, 2006 11:56 pm ] |
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At least the Acacia is a reasonably fast-growing and large tree...which is good only if the area is replanted with acacia seedlings....which judging by what you said isn't happening. It's a shame. |
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| Author: | Kim [ Thu May 04, 2006 12:08 am ] |
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Easy Paul, if you "donate" to the major political parties handsomely enough, you can do anything you want and remain "self regulating" no matter who wins the election. One simply must pay tis all, but never mind, I am sure it is deductible. It's what some term commercial democracy 
It remains in the interest of large logging companies to maintain a slash and burn mentality. They selectively cut what is "commercially viable" to them and use it now, and then, as will be the fate of most of what you see in the images above, they push what is left over into windrows and burn it. This practise prevents anyone else from creating a value added market for the timber that they do not actually need themselves. Doing so avoids any threat to their main game plan of replanting the country with faster growing, more profitable eucalyptus species to make yet more toilet paper. I am told that this is not irresponsible environmental vandalism, but merely a way to create jobs and help local commerce which in turn is a boost to the over all economic growth of the nation. Go figure 
Off me box, Cheers Kim |
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| Author: | Serge Poirier [ Thu May 04, 2006 12:31 am ] |
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Democracy rhymes with hypocrisy!(sp?) 
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| Author: | Aust Tonewoods [ Thu May 04, 2006 12:39 am ] |
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One last image before I retire. 
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| Author: | charliewood [ Thu May 04, 2006 12:43 am ] |
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I just unleashed about the same thing right here in BC and Brazil in another thread. It time for people to make alot more noise! Cheers Charliewood We are contirbutors to this, Id be willing to pay double for my wood if they would just protect habitat! |
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| Author: | PaulB [ Thu May 04, 2006 12:53 am ] |
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I was going to comment further, but it will inevitably turn to politics, and the big Kahuna frowns on such behaviour, and I guess he's suffered enough just lately. But I know who's gonna be first against the wall when the revolution comes, that's all I'm sayin. |
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| Author: | Pwoolson [ Thu May 04, 2006 12:57 am ] |
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I'll make an attempt to move this from politics to cars. Believe it or not, I looked right past the felled trees to that beautiful landcruiser. Man I covet that truck. 
I used to have a big one ('92) back when I wasn't buiding guitars (read "back when I had some money"). I really wish I had that back, except when it comes time to fill it up. |
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| Author: | spruce [ Thu May 04, 2006 3:42 am ] |
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"It time for people to make alot more noise! " It's too late for a lot of species... For instance, 20 years ago only 4% of the original stands of California Redwood remained... Who knows where it stands today.... You can get an idea of how bad this is if you've ever seen second-growth Redwood lumber... 
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| Author: | charliewood [ Thu May 04, 2006 6:33 am ] |
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I have heard Sitka Spruce is on its way out!!!!! What then? Not to cause trouble! & I know that this place is supposed to steer clear of political discussion - But what better place to gather a huge group of people who are all concerned with preserving species of trees for the next generation than the OLF and other forums such as this one? I mean if an agreed upon set of rules {by concensus}could exist {for what could be done and what would be allowed such as putting petitions forth, etc}, imagine what people could accomplish in respect to this, wouldnt there be alot of signatures, letters to politicians, and voices for the very leaved and needled entities we cherish so much! They cant speak for themselves. How long are we going to leave it to the next guy, are we resopnsible if we dont speak up, seeing as we are craftsmen, and people who use this resource - I mean its our right to demand our politicians and governments preserve resources for generations to come, we need them, and lets not forget about the species within them, who suffer greatly because of our needs deeds and greed. Just a thought. Cheers Charlie Mabye there is a group of craftsmmen who are doing this already, I dont know. If there is please inform me. |
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| Author: | CarltonM [ Thu May 04, 2006 6:43 am ] |
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[QUOTE=charliewood] We are contirbutors to this, Id be willing to pay double for my wood if they would just protect habitat![/QUOTE] It's good to be concerned, but don't feel too guilty. An individual builder might use the equivalent of one, or maybe two, trees in his lifetime. Luthiers did not destroy the South American rainforest. Besides, if a tree is going to be used, is there a better way to use it than making a musical instrument? Okay, maybe shelter; but the point is, both uses contribute greatly to the improvement of the human condition. |
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| Author: | Rod True [ Thu May 04, 2006 7:06 am ] |
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[QUOTE=Pwoolson] I'll make an attempt to move this from politics to cars. Believe it or not, I looked right past the felled trees to that beautiful landcruiser. Man I covet that truck.
I used to have a big one ('92) back when I wasn't buiding guitars (read "back when I had some money"). I really wish I had that back, except when it comes time to fill it up.[/QUOTE] That's funny Paul, that's the same thing that caught my eye. Nice crusier there Tim. Here's a pic of mine. Mine's a diesel though, so I get a little better milage than your gas one would have gotten Paul. 
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| Author: | bbeardb [ Thu May 04, 2006 7:15 am ] |
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[QUOTE=Rod True] That's funny Paul, that's the same thing that caught my eye. Nice crusier there Tim. Here's a pic of mine. Mine's a diesel though, so I get a little better milage than your gas one would have gotten Paul. [/QUOTE]
Oh, how I wish we could get those diesels here in the states...
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| Author: | charliewood [ Thu May 04, 2006 7:19 am ] |
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[QUOTE=CarltonM] [QUOTE=charliewood] We are contirbutors to this, Id be willing to pay double for my wood if they would just protect habitat![/QUOTE] It's good to be concerned, but don't feel too guilty. An individual builder might use the equivalent of one, or maybe two, trees in his lifetime. Luthiers did not destroy the South American rainforest. Besides, if a tree is going to be used, is there a better way to use it than making a musical instrument? Okay, maybe shelter; but the point is, both uses contribute greatly to the improvement of the human condition.[/QUOTE] This is true - so OK do we leave it to the veneer industry to grow a conscience{-2sp?} Or the commercial timber industry? The furniture industry? Cause its only people who care about the resources we need, that will cause positive change to occur. Cheers Charliewood Custom Builders Unite! |
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| Author: | Rod True [ Thu May 04, 2006 7:26 am ] |
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B, Here's a beauty on ebay right now. Notice the right hand drive. |
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| Author: | bbeardb [ Thu May 04, 2006 8:44 am ] |
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[QUOTE=Rod True] B, Here's a beauty on ebay right now. Notice the right hand drive.[/QUOTE] Oh, now youre being evil! That is a really nice specimen, that's for sure. |
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| Author: | Serge Poirier [ Thu May 04, 2006 8:45 am ] |
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If i can do my share by scrounging and recuperating whatever wood from the trash, i will!
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| Author: | MSpencer [ Thu May 04, 2006 11:58 am ] |
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Paul, I loved the old Toyota Landcruisers as well, we got a new one in 1970-71 model I believe. Looked just like the one in the Photo but mine was Red. Mike White Oak, Texas |
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| Author: | RCoates [ Thu May 04, 2006 12:32 pm ] |
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Toyota has the new "FJ Cruiser". Have you seen it? with an MSRP of around 21k usd. Makes me start thinkin thoughts that the wife's not gonna like. 
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| Author: | CarltonM [ Thu May 04, 2006 1:39 pm ] |
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[QUOTE=charliewood] [QUOTE=CarltonM] It's good to be concerned, but don't feel too guilty. An individual builder might use the equivalent of one, or maybe two, trees in his lifetime. Luthiers did not destroy the South American rainforest. Besides, if a tree is going to be used, is there a better way to use it than making a musical instrument? Okay, maybe shelter; but the point is, both uses contribute greatly to the improvement of the human condition.[/QUOTE] This is true - so OK do we leave it to the veneer industry to grow a conscience{-2sp?} Or the commercial timber industry? The furniture industry?[/QUOTE] Of course not, Charlie. Please don't misunderstand me. As I wrote, being concerned is a good thing, and so is taking appropriate action; but since wood is like blood to luthiers, it's not unusual for small builders to feel a bit guilty when we hear about disappearing forests. That travesty, though, is not the fault of individual luthiers. Looks like it might be up to us, though, to administer a much-needed dope slap to those in charge! |
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| Author: | Larry Davis [ Thu May 04, 2006 3:26 pm ] |
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Reality is all the wood used as "tonewood" world wide wouldn't make a fly spot on an elephant's back. There is minimal commercial wood market (time or thought)given to "tonewoods". Tonewood is such a minor market that the tonewood supply guys have to create the product interest from logging and milling companies and that interested us usually piqued with $$$$$ above furniture veneer use. Even top quality Sitka Spruce is flitched for veneer slicing. Over the past 20 years or so "instrument" grade wood has come to mean the very best of the best quality wood. It is still, of course buyer beware of false claims. |
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