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| Author: | RussellR [ Wed May 31, 2006 10:56 am ] |
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Hi Hesh I use a Baby Bottle warmer, a lot of the guys State side use a rival Hot Pot, both are cheap and do a great job, the type of pots you have there come into there own where you want to melt the glue in the pot and use with a brush. For the bottle application they are not really neccesary or though the top one will work just fine. I buy my glue from a European supplier, but if you want hide in Quantity Mulligan and Higgins of New York have it but I think you can only buy a 50 Lb Pale, LMI's stuff is ideal and may well be the mulligan and higgins stuff. I Lik my baby bottle warmer as it is just the right size and holds temp within 2/3 Degrees, Marios tip of putting stainless steel bolts or nuts in the bottom of your bottle to act as a heat sink, and help the bottle stay subnmerged is a good one. |
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| Author: | RussellR [ Wed May 31, 2006 11:08 am ] |
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Hesh I just looked up in the archives and apparently you can get one of these hotpots at Walmart for about $10. For some reason we don't have hot pots in the UK, so thats why we use baby bottle warmers, not sure what the intended purpose of a hot pot is ? but guess its something Americans do and the British don't. |
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| Author: | Philip Perdue [ Wed May 31, 2006 11:11 am ] |
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Hesh, I'm sorry but I gave up Pot and don't wish to discuss it. 
Sorry, thought I would be the first one. Perfect timeing for me as I have been thinking about the same thing. My custom kit is on its way and I have to move from planning to action. Philip |
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| Author: | PaulB [ Wed May 31, 2006 11:16 am ] |
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We don't have hot pots here either. Guys over here are using the wax pots ladies use for hair removal. I had some explaining to do when I bought mine home .
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| Author: | RussellR [ Wed May 31, 2006 11:36 am ] |
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Hesh Sylvan has a page on his site showing one Hot Pot The LMI Stuff is 192G High Clarity Glue which is perfect. You just add your water to the Glue let it absorb then heat to mix, I like to let mine cool and reheat it before using, there is evidence to suggest this makes it stronger, some people make it up in batches and freeze it, I did this at first but have now taken to making it in small quantities fresh when I need it, once made I will keep in the fridge and use for up to a week, I will only reheat 5 times before I throw it. Thats just my way of doing it not to say that these are diffinative methods. |
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| Author: | A Peebels [ Wed May 31, 2006 11:36 am ] |
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You guys are bringing back memories of the Filmore West, Iron Butterfly, Deep Purple, The Dead, and others from my past. Al |
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| Author: | Dave Rector [ Wed May 31, 2006 11:37 am ] |
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Hesh, you don't want a crock pot. What a lot of us use is called a Rival Hot Pot. You can find quite a few examples on Amazon.com. Hwere is a pic of what you are looking for. 
Hope this helps. |
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| Author: | MSpencer [ Wed May 31, 2006 11:54 am ] |
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I have one of the Rivals, never used it, still scared to depart from my fixation with Titebond, but I have the HHG, pot, just need the courage. Mike White Oak, Texas |
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| Author: | Andy Zimmerman [ Wed May 31, 2006 12:06 pm ] |
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Your topic caught me off guard....maybe your name is Hash. I also have a rival hot pot....bought it at K Mart....$19.95 |
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| Author: | Kim [ Wed May 31, 2006 12:08 pm ] |
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Far out Hesh!...Man you gona go get us all busted...don't go blabber'in bout pot on no forum, the fuzz may be watch'in, you're freak'in me out man. Oh...sorry folks, tired old joke resulting from Flashback mmmm must resist aaaarrrrrggghhhhh..no use  ...Dave ain't here man, I said DAVE AIN'T HERE!. Hey Ralph!....hey Ralph!.....there's that little french poodle from down the road....Hey mam moselle wait up, wait up! hey poly vooah hum-ah hum-ah. Hey Margret, that looks just like your ol granddaddy eat'in ice-cream 
Kim |
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| Author: | Dave Anderson [ Wed May 31, 2006 12:18 pm ] |
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[QUOTE=MSpencer] I have one of the Rivals, never used it, still scared to depart from my fixation with Titebond, but I have the HHG, pot, just need the courage. Mike White Oak, Texas[/QUOTE] Hey Go for it Mike,Once you start,You will love it. |
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| Author: | Dave-SKG [ Wed May 31, 2006 12:19 pm ] |
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Hesh, like others I use the Hot Pot I found on sale at Walmart. It was $12 or there about. You do need to get a thermometer as well I think I paid $6. I had a sort of group buy from M & H a few months ago and will probably do another in a few. I think Frank Ford is using M & H and that is probably what LMI stocks. Give them a call. I believe you want the 196 strength stuff. If you can't locate any let me know and I will send you some. p.s. I once bought one of those mini hot pots that someone sells just for HHG. it plugs into the wall and supposedly heats to the proper heat. Because it's so small you only make one batch/enough at one time. I don't think it gets hot enough or perhaps mine is just malfunctioning...so I wouldn't go that route. |
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| Author: | Todd Rose [ Wed May 31, 2006 12:19 pm ] |
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Hesh, if you haven't yet checked out Frank Ford's discussion of hide glue and his methods for heating, etc, I recommend you do. On frets.com Good luck! |
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| Author: | Brock Poling [ Wed May 31, 2006 12:26 pm ] |
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Don MacRostie has one he built from 2 coffee cans and light bulbs in an old ASIA mag. It looked like a nice set up too (no water involved). |
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| Author: | A Peebels [ Wed May 31, 2006 12:46 pm ] |
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I never heard Santana at the Filmore, but I did enjoy their performance at Monterey. Al |
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| Author: | John Mayes [ Wed May 31, 2006 12:54 pm ] |
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I've only done Pot once. I swear.... Oh.. that pot... I have the stew mac pot and I dig it...expensive but worth it to me... |
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| Author: | crich [ Wed May 31, 2006 2:27 pm ] |
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Hesh, I have the rival hot pot. You have to fudge around with the dial but after a little while you get the hang of it. From what I've read from Frank Ford, 145 deg. is the maximum. I try to keep mine between 140-145 deg. I spoke to Shane and he says that he carries the glue and I think Luthier Supplies also carries HHG. I tried the HHG from WoodCraft but I had alot better luck with the Mulligans. I also work under a heat lamp. Just warm the pieces a bit. I just finished my first,as you might know, and I glued braces, the scarf joint, the top and back,the kerfing, headstock veneer and even the bridge. I tend to follow the thought that HHG sounds better. Let me know if you hear a difference. I've always liked the looks of your HeshTone guitars. Clinton |
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| Author: | Serge Poirier [ Wed May 31, 2006 2:30 pm ] |
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Hesh, some will advise you to mix your HHG by weight which is a good thing if you already have a scale but if you're broke like me (BRW expenses in yo case!  ) and don't have one, you can also mix it half 'n' half and you'll be sticking with that glue for a long long time!
You already guessed it, i purchase mine at Lee Valley, their info sheet says it's the 260 grams but Mario said it was more like 192 g. Mixing it almost half-half and reheating it after cooling off is a really good advice that Russ gave you! |
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| Author: | Serge Poirier [ Wed May 31, 2006 2:32 pm ] |
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Oh and yeah, i bought my rival pot from the Wal Mart pusher!
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| Author: | SniderMike [ Wed May 31, 2006 2:39 pm ] |
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I'll throw in another vote for the Hot Pot, which I got at Albertson's for about $15. Martha Stewart makes a very fine thermometer as well, available at a Kmart near you. Mike |
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