Sorry Colin!
Maybe I should burst it instead?
-Mark
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| Author: | Mark Tripp [ Sun Jul 16, 2006 11:45 pm ] |
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I'm contemplating the finish for #3, a flamed mahogany dread, and I'm thinking I want to lightly stain it in order to highlight the flamed character of the wood. Looking for a kind of "Fireweed Honey" amber. My questions are what kind of stain? It will be an FP finish. And I'm thinking of sealing with Z-Poxy on this one- how does Z-Poxy interact with stains? I assume it is applied after the stain? Regards, -Mark |
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| Author: | Don Williams [ Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:28 am ] |
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Trans-Tint Honey Amber is nice... |
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| Author: | Mark Tripp [ Mon Jul 17, 2006 2:07 am ] |
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Thanks guys. Hesh, would West System stuff work? I have a bunch of that - the stuff used for boat building. -Mark |
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| Author: | Don Williams [ Mon Jul 17, 2006 2:24 am ] |
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The StewMac ColorTone products are TransTint products relabelled for StewMac....very good products. Might just as well buy them from our OLF Sponsor StewMac! |
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| Author: | Pwoolson [ Mon Jul 17, 2006 2:37 am ] |
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Mark, West Systems will work but it has a longer cure time. You'll need at least 24 hours and probably longer to be able to sand it back. Even then, it tends to goop up the sand paper. |
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| Author: | Don Williams [ Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:36 am ] |
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[QUOTE=Pwoolson] Mark, West Systems will work but it has a longer cure time. You'll need at least 24 hours and probably longer to be able to sand it back. Even then, it tends to goop up the sand paper. [/QUOTE] Like any epoxy, if you don't mix it right, it won't cure right. I've used West Systems and had no issues with it, other times it's been problematic. I have a feeling the issue was more me than the product. I've had the same issues with the System 3 product too. Never tried Z-poxy though. |
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| Author: | John Lewis [ Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:59 am ] |
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Mark- What does "Fireweed Honey" amber look like? How does it differ from the normal amber color? Thanks- |
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| Author: | Colin S [ Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:03 am ] |
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[QUOTE=Mark Tripp] I'm contemplating the finish for #3, a flamed mahogany dread, and I'm thinking I want to lightly stain it in order to highlight the flamed character of the wood. Looking for a kind of "Fireweed Honey" amber. My questions are what kind of stain? It will be an FP finish. And I'm thinking of sealing with Z-Poxy on this one- how does Z-Poxy interact with stains? I assume it is applied after the stain? Regards, -Mark[/QUOTE] Crusty old academic, with mahogany fixation, screams quietly to himself. Colin |
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| Author: | Mark Tripp [ Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:09 am ] |
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John, The fireweed honey I used to get when I lived in western WA was usually a dark reddish amber, although I have seen it lighter color. Almost as if you mixed regular colored honey with some molasses and some red dye #2. -Mark |
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| Author: | Mark Tripp [ Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:12 am ] |
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Sorry Colin! Maybe I should burst it instead?
-Mark |
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| Author: | Mark Tripp [ Mon Jul 17, 2006 5:18 am ] |
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Hmmmm. Okie Doky. I'll try it "Au Naturale" Thanks for the input guys! -Mark |
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| Author: | RussellR [ Mon Jul 17, 2006 5:24 am ] |
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Natural Sounds good to me Mark |
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| Author: | Mark Tripp [ Mon Jul 17, 2006 5:44 am ] |
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heheh Hesh! I alluded to that after Colin's remarks, but that was just to get him riled a little. 
the more I think about it the better natual sounds. One less step too. This will be the first guitar with wood bindings also - EIR. -Mark |
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| Author: | Colin S [ Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:36 am ] |
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Me get riled when someone messes about with the natural look of the wood? Never! I think you must be talking about some other Colin.
Colin |
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| Author: | Alain Desforges [ Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:41 am ] |
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I guess your mind is made up Mark about the tint so I guess the point is moot, but, I heard that the big difference between the System Three and West System epoxies is that West System will change colors when reacting with UV rays. It might darken the original color/tint of the guitar down the road. Maybe not a bad thing, but I'd stick with Z or Three just to make sure that the color remains the same... |
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| Author: | Brock Poling [ Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:48 am ] |
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[QUOTE=Mark Tripp] Hmmmm. Okie Doky. I'll try it "Au Naturale" Thanks for the input guys! -Mark[/QUOTE] Pottassium Dichromate gives it a very nice "old" color without resorting to adding color. You might try some on a piece of the cutoffs to see what you think. I like the look on Mahogany. That way Colin can still sleep at night.
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| Author: | A Peebels [ Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:52 am ] |
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TAP plastics sells an epoxy that has a nice amber color. I used to use it for fiberglass layups on radio controlled airplanes. I found it to work a lot like Z-poxy. I also used to use West Systems, and never noticed any color change. Our planes would be exposed to direct sunlight for several hours at a time. None of these like cold during the cure cycle. Some will not kick off at all below their minimum temperature. I know nothing is cold right now, but I like to build all year Just be sure that it is above 70F until fully cured. Cure times can be greatly accelerated by heating to 100-110F. A hot box or heatlamps will do the job nicely. Al |
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| Author: | CarltonM [ Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:41 pm ] |
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[QUOTE=Brock Poling]Pottassium Dichromate gives it a very nice "old" color without resorting to adding color.[/QUOTE] I'm told it's quite toxic, much like using amonia to fume oak...so use caution. It does give a nice warmth to mahogany, though, and an amazing golden glow to sapele, too. |
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| Author: | Brock Poling [ Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:43 pm ] |
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[QUOTE=CarltonM] [QUOTE=Brock Poling]Pottassium Dichromate gives it a very nice "old" color without resorting to adding color.[/QUOTE] I'm told it's quite toxic, much like using amonia to fume oak...so use caution. It does give a nice warmth to mahogany, though, and an amazing golden glow to sapele, too. [/QUOTE] Toxic is nothing new to us. Just wear your respirator and nitrile gloves -- well ventilated and all that. |
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| Author: | John Lewis [ Tue Jul 18, 2006 12:47 pm ] |
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[QUOTE=Brock Poling] [QUOTE=CarltonM] [QUOTE=Brock Poling]Pottassium Dichromate gives it a very nice "old" color without resorting to adding color.[/QUOTE] I'm told it's quite toxic, much like using amonia to fume oak...so use caution. It does give a nice warmth to mahogany, though, and an amazing golden glow to sapele, too. [/QUOTE] Toxic is nothing new to us. Just wear your respirator and nitrile gloves -- well ventilated and all that. [/QUOTE] Potassium Dichromate is one of the worst carcinogens known to man. I don't know how anyone could be careful enough with the stuff. If you use it please be careful my friends. Thanks- |
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| Author: | ecklesweb [ Tue Jul 18, 2006 2:09 pm ] |
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Any reason not to use good ol' Minwax stains? I've used them before on several (furniture) projects with good results - wide array of colors, generally locally available (at least in the US), inexpensive, mix well if you need an "in between" color... |
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