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| Author: | Ron Priest [ Thu Sep 28, 2006 7:13 am ] |
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Has anyone any reviews on Grotoh 18:1 Sta-Tite tuners (open back) or Schaller 12:1 (open back) vintage tuners. I can not afford to put Waverly's on at the moment. I appreciate any reviews at all. Thanks |
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| Author: | Don Williams [ Thu Sep 28, 2006 7:34 am ] |
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The Sta-Tite tuners are Grover not Gotoh.... Lots of folks have had problems with the Grovers, but the Schaller open-back tuners seem to be a nice alternative to the Waverly's. The Waverly's are better, but you pay for the quality. |
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| Author: | Michael Dale Payne [ Thu Sep 28, 2006 7:34 am ] |
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I have used the Schaller's 12:1 vintage and have had no issue I have also used Grover 18:1 Sta-tite with no issues. I do know for a while there were some problems with the Grover's Post but I have hand no issues recently. I think Grover is the brand you meant when you said Grotoh's. Gotoh makes a vintage tuner but they are not open backs  |
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| Author: | A Peebels [ Thu Sep 28, 2006 7:44 am ] |
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I've used the Schaller open back (gold) and they were very good tuners. I used the Grover sta-tite in their cheaper version. I ordered them by mistake. I meant to order the ones with the butterbean keys. They were good, but I liked the Schallers better. Sorry, but I have no experience with the better sta-tites. Al |
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| Author: | arvey [ Thu Sep 28, 2006 7:52 am ] |
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I am one of the people who had problems with the Grovers but contacted Grover and they were not only aware of the problem but report they have corrected it. They were having parts made off shore and then assembled in the US. Problem was that the gear for the Vertical and horizontal tunners were slightly different size and they were't aware of this. If they got tye wrong gears in they hyad a problem. Aparently they have corrected the problem at the Off shore end and the ones I received as replacements are great. Stew Mac had a bunch of the bad ones as did another big company. Bad press for Grover. |
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| Author: | Michael Dale Payne [ Thu Sep 28, 2006 8:16 am ] |
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I believe that Gover only makes the Sta-tite-vintage in a butter bean knob It is all I have ever seen it in. |
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| Author: | arvey [ Thu Sep 28, 2006 8:39 am ] |
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The Orriginal STA-TITE (97/98 SERIES) had both round and Butterbean but the STA-TITE 18:1 looks like it only has the Buterbean. If you buy them by the gross though I am told you can get a variety of nobs. The Santa Cruz ones are just that I am told. |
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| Author: | TonyKarol [ Thu Sep 28, 2006 8:43 am ] |
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Gotoh indeed does make an open back vintge tuner .. SD700s .. mighty fine units for the bucks. the post and gearing are rock solid, no backlash, no play at all. Unfortunately, only butterbean style button, in all chrome, gold, x-gold and x-chrome I believe. Possibly cosmo black, like a gun metal chrome. |
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| Author: | MSpencer [ Thu Sep 28, 2006 8:44 am ] |
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I use the Grover Sta-tite 18:1 open backs and have had no issues. Mike |
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| Author: | Mike Collins [ Thu Sep 28, 2006 9:16 am ] |
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Wow-Lots of knowlegable replys! I've used all the mentioned tuners . The Gotohs are very well made! The Grovers have improved and the price is great!-BUT the finish on them is not so good! If I had to just buy for value I'd take the Gotohs! I use Waverlys all the time-they are supreme ! BUT -Gilbert now sells a steel string tuner which I got a custom set for a Harp guitar I'm making and they are just beautiful and very precise! Mike www.collinsguitars.com |
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| Author: | Terry Stowell [ Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:06 am ] |
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Uh, Mike.... Pictures Please. You know the drill 
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| Author: | arvey [ Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:14 am ] |
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I found the Old Grovers (14:1) didn't have a great finish but the 18:1 is great, Better Than Gotohs IMHO. Waverlies beat all though. |
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| Author: | MSpencer [ Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:18 am ] |
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Good points Hesh on the Grovers, we had a thread a few months ago about this very subject and I recall folks stating that the Grover Sta-Tites had a much cleaner and nicer finish and appearance to them then did the Schallers of similar design. As Hesh stated, Grover in the 60's and early 70' was considered the premier tuner to have. Mike |
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| Author: | Ron Priest [ Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:27 am ] |
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Sorry about the the mistake I did mean the Grovers. It looks like there is a great amount of support for the Grovers. I have used the Schallers regulars and wondered about the open back. I to had read about problems with the Grovers. I now have quite a bit of info in which to make my decision. Unfortunately Waverly is not going to happen on these guitars. Thanks guys. |
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| Author: | CarltonM [ Thu Sep 28, 2006 2:52 pm ] |
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[QUOTE=Mike Collins] Gilbert now sells a steel string tuner...[/QUOTE] Say what?!! Seems like I remember Lance mentioning that some time ago, but I could find nothing about it on their lame excuse for a web site.  Same thing for their drill press sanding plate. Some vendors just do NOT get it!!!
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| Author: | Colin S [ Thu Sep 28, 2006 7:11 pm ] |
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Ron I have used the Schaller vintage open back tuners, and have to say that I like them. If your not going to use Waverly then for the money you can't get a better vintage look than the Schaller for the money. I also rather like the 12:1 ratio more than higher ratios. Colin |
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| Author: | Hank Mauel [ Fri Sep 29, 2006 3:06 am ] |
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Gotoh open backs on more than a dozen instruments over the past several years. Absolutely NO PROBLEMS. Short of Waverlies, they are all I would use in open back tuner situations. |
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| Author: | Dave Rector [ Fri Sep 29, 2006 6:39 am ] |
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I've used quite a few of the Grover 18:1 tuners and have not had a problem with them yet. Check them over when you get them. If the screw in the gear looks like is has been forced (i.e., the slot is messed up)send them back and get another set. When they had the problem before it was evident by the screw heads. |
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| Author: | Mike Collins [ Fri Sep 29, 2006 7:35 am ] |
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Gilbert tuners; E-mail -gmatonis@earthlink.net He is in charge of Gilbert tuners and will supply you with all the info you need to purchase them. Mike Collins 
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| Author: | CarltonM [ Fri Sep 29, 2006 12:07 pm ] |
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[QUOTE=Mike Collins] Gilbert tuners; E-mail -gmatonis@earthlink.net He is in charge of Gilbert tuners and will supply you with all the info you need to purchase them. Mike Collins
[/QUOTE] Yeah, but I want to know what they look like and how much they cost before going that far. Are they for slot or solid heads, or both? That's what a web site is for--if they only knew that! |
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