K&K is the way to go. All you have to do is tell them you are a luthier and you'll get 50% the list price. Now that's a deal. I would jump on that michael before they get wise and change their policy.
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| Author: | Pwoolson [ Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:03 am ] |
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Michael, I, as well as many others here, would recomend a K&k system. They do the best job of conveying the true sound of the guitar, only louder. If the client wants controls, my second choice would be an LR Baggs Ibeam. It works pretty much the same way as the K&K but not as good, IMHO. The advantage is that they have a very small thumb wheel that installs inside the soundhole to provide volume control. If it were me, I'd work pretty hard at talking her into a K&K system with an outboard preamp. It could be hooked to a belt pack and give her all the control she might need. Hope that helps a bit. Paul |
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| Author: | Alain Desforges [ Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:09 am ] |
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Well, if she isinst on having them on the side (which is too bad IMHO...) I think you could find something by LR Baggs: You can check out the new iMix onboard here. Hope this helps. Al |
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| Author: | Chris Ide [ Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:38 am ] |
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A newbie here, but I've put in a few, well lots, of pickups in acoustics, only one of my own, but working on OM #2 I agree on the K&K, very good sound and an easy install. For a UST I like the DTAR The preamp is in the endpin, a clean looking installation. The Preamp does have provisions to add volume and tone controls, these are simply 100ohm audio taper pots and the appropriate resistor on the tone pot I dont remember off hand what value but Dtar has that info available, that you can mount inside the sound hole or poke them through the side of the instrument, adding wood knobs to match the sides would be a nice touch I think. Adding these requires that you desolder (is that a word?) and remove jumpers and solder your wiring harness into the preamp so it is not for the electronic faint of hearts. It would give the same look as the taylor system from the exterior and is the best sounding ust I've come across, that is of course a very subjective opinion. The preamp also has provisions for a second source if that is desirable. Another option to consider if she insists on the side mount controls. |
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| Author: | JWarwick [ Mon Nov 06, 2006 2:08 am ] |
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Hi Michael, Agree with K&K ... they are also available with onboard volume. Look at the "Ultrapure" and the onboard "Trinity." Another excellent option for UST and onboard volume/tone control is the Schertler Bluestick. Best, Jim |
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| Author: | Chris Cordle [ Mon Nov 06, 2006 3:28 am ] |
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I've been using LR Baggs Active Element for the last few years. I really have been happy with it's ability to replicate the natural sound of my acoustics. I also like that it doesn't alter the guitar permanently, the easy install, and the volume control mounts just inside the soundhole. Everything is completely reverseable with the exception of drilling out the endpin. |
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| Author: | peterm [ Mon Nov 06, 2006 5:03 am ] |
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I've used the B-Band A 2.2 with XOM It works great... IMO just as nice as the K&K B-BAND A2.2 |
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| Author: | Jocafa [ Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:49 am ] |
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Anyone ever try making their own like this? http://www.liutaiomottola.com/PrevPubs/Piezo/CoaxTransducer. htm The coax transducer cable is only a buck per inch and the preamp looks pretty easy to make. |
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| Author: | Steve Saville [ Mon Nov 06, 2006 8:32 am ] |
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[QUOTE=uncleshish] I've been using LR Baggs Active Element for the last few years. I really have been happy with it's ability to replicate the natural sound of my acoustics.......[/QUOTE] I am very surprised how much I like my Active Element. It has great output, decent sound and does not easily feedback. For a loud live band mix, I don't think you could do much better. I was very surprised how good and natural it sound for an under saddle pickup. I think the K&K has a better, more natural sound. If I was playing solos I'd use it, especially the Trinity. I would not used it in a band as I had trouble with feedback. I owned the B Band A2.2 and I think the Active Element sounds better and is less prone to feedback for less than 1/2 the cost. YMMV |
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| Author: | Chris Cordle [ Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:10 am ] |
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[QUOTE=SteveS] [QUOTE=uncleshish] I've been using LR Baggs Active Element for the last few years. I really have been happy with it's ability to replicate the natural sound of my acoustics.......[/QUOTE] I am very surprised how much I like my Active Element. It has great output, decent sound and does not easily feedback. For a loud live band mix, I don't think you could do much better. I was very surprised how good and natural it sound for an under saddle pickup. I think the K&K has a better, more natural sound. If I was playing solos I'd use it, especially the Trinity. I would not used it in a band as I had trouble with feedback. I owned the B Band A2.2 and I think the Active Element sounds better and is less prone to feedback for less than 1/2 the cost. YMMV [/QUOTE] Precisely what I failed to mention was it's resistance to feedback. At my cd release party I played with a full band,2 backup singers and a violinist. The guitars I used were all crystal clear and completely void of feedback issues. I also use it in my solo acoustic shows and have been quite pleased. There may be something better but for under $100 shipped it's pretty tough to beat. |
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| Author: | James Orr [ Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:22 am ] |
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The best pickup I've ever heard live was a B Band UST being used by Gabe Scott on tour with Bebo Norman in a Mayes OM. The ES system would probably more similar to the AST. I second Paul's recommendation for an outboard preamp. The circuitry is just better than onboard preamps. My favorite is the Avalon U5, but close second is the Para DI by LR Baggs. Honestly, I think the U5 just adds some transparent compression. Get a para and a nice compressor (I have the Barber Tonepress) and you can save a bit on the U5. These are more like high high end options. A UST or AST into a para di will be a tremendous system. |
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| Author: | Dave-SKG [ Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:32 pm ] |
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K&K is the way to go. All you have to do is tell them you are a luthier and you'll get 50% the list price. Now that's a deal. I would jump on that michael before they get wise and change their policy.
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| Author: | peterm [ Mon Nov 06, 2006 2:35 pm ] |
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[QUOTE=Dave-SKG] K&K is the way to go. All you have to do is tell them you are a luthier and you'll get 50% the list price. Now that's a deal. I would jump on that michael before they get wise and change their policy. [/QUOTE]
Well, they'll need to verify you are a luthier first otherwise anyone could call them for wholesale pricing. If you have a website or a business selling guitars they will sell it to you. At least thats what they told me. |
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| Author: | Ray L [ Mon Nov 06, 2006 2:44 pm ] |
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Has anyone here tried K&K's archtop pickup system? Looking for some input for an archtop pickup. Thanks, Ray |
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| Author: | JWarwick [ Tue Nov 07, 2006 2:04 am ] |
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[QUOTE=Ray L] Has anyone here tried K&K's archtop pickup system? Looking for some input for an archtop pickup. Thanks, Ray[/QUOTE] Ray, the K&K archtop system is very good. I've installed several in old guitars and their owners have been very happy. I can't compare to others, as I haven't tried any. Hope this helps. Best, Jim |
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