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| Author: | j.Brown [ Sun Nov 26, 2006 2:08 am ] |
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I saw a binding jig somewhere that I just can't find now. It looked CNC'd aluminum or stainless and looked to be of great quality. Indexed from the sides with a nice bearing setup. Black sloped pad at the top to guide it along the guitar. Anyone know what I'm talking about and where I might find that online? -j. |
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| Author: | j.Brown [ Sun Nov 26, 2006 2:22 am ] |
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Yep, I just found it, too. What are some other options for the binding jigs and tool attachments? Williams jig? -j. |
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| Author: | Graham Steward [ Sun Nov 26, 2006 2:49 am ] |
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I believe this is the Williams Jig that Hesh is talking about. http://luthiersforum.3element.com/pages/jig_tools_tech/don_w illiams_binding_jig.htm Does anyone know if any of our vendors sell this jig? |
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| Author: | Serge Poirier [ Sun Nov 26, 2006 3:04 am ] |
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Graham, not sure if Craig Holden has time now to build and sell them, i think John Watkins is selling them in the meantime but i'm not sure... Hesh, what was wrong with that tool, i built mine having this one in mind and all went well on no 2? |
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| Author: | Don Williams [ Sun Nov 26, 2006 3:06 am ] |
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Graham, John Hall of Blues Creek Guitars is going to be building and selling these. |
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| Author: | j.Brown [ Sun Nov 26, 2006 3:08 am ] |
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Anyone have the luthiertool.com version they want to get rid of? |
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| Author: | Colin S [ Sun Nov 26, 2006 4:38 am ] |
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Hesh, I think that if you took the Luthierstool rig and mounted it on a Fleishman/Williams binding jig using one of Dave White's extra lazy susan bearings, so that the lam trimmer can rotate, then you would have the ultimate in binding jigs. Colin |
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| Author: | Serge Poirier [ Sun Nov 26, 2006 4:50 am ] |
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Thanks Hesh, that makes plenty of sense bro, i think that you're right about being comfortable using any tool for that matter. I built a williams jig in the past for for the sake of space, i dismantled it to have the jig that i have now but i will always agree that the Williams jig works best for precision and comfort or the ribekke one should just do as well in that department. Another one to consider is the one that Rod built a few months ago where you leave the router in the jig and ride the guitar, this one is very interesting for the little space it takes. |
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| Author: | Serge Poirier [ Sun Nov 26, 2006 5:27 am ] |
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Good luck with the building Hesh, i know that if you have the room, you will love that jig, you can take your time with it and work slowly around the perimeter to route the channels. The lazy susan bearings should work wonders under the tower and good drawer slides will help a lot too! |
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| Author: | Dave White [ Sun Nov 26, 2006 5:36 am ] |
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Hesh, You can see my adaptation of the brilliant Fleishman-Williams binding jig here. I used to dread binding but now I really enjoy the process. |
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| Author: | paul harrell [ Sun Nov 26, 2006 6:54 am ] |
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It may be possible for the luthiertool jig to tip inwards, but I have never had it happen. I have a homemade version that is not nearly as nice, and I have routed a lot of guitars with it and never had a problem. I take three passes to rout the binding channels instead of trying to do it in one pass. I'm not taking off very much wood on the finl pass, and it always comes out clean. Paul |
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| Author: | Arnt Rian [ Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:06 am ] |
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I was going to say the same thing, Paul. |
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| Author: | burbank [ Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:26 am ] |
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The one I use I made according to some photos that Arnt posted to the MIMF some time ago. It works on the same principle as the Luthiertool one, only not nearly as elegant or well-made. Works fine, so far. But it shares the same gotcha when using it: the jig can be tilted in such a way that you can take a divet out of your channel if you're not careful. I learned that the hard way. I'd love to have a Williams-style, but the cost of the bearing/cutter setup is out of my range. Dave's looks like something I could use. I use it (only twice now) with the guitar clamped in the same type guitar vise as on Sylvan Wells' site. I have yet to clamp the jig and move the guitar body around, as Martin (IIRC) does. So, Dave, if I read your article correctly, the lazy susan allows the adjustable stop to rotate, following the curve of the sides, while the trimmer does not rotate? Ingenious. I may have to try that. Best of both worlds, perhaps without the cash outlay. |
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| Author: | letseatpaste [ Sun Nov 26, 2006 10:43 am ] |
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The combination of the Fleishman/Williams jig with the luthiertool one is tempting, but I still like the idea of a handheld jig for economy of space. There's got to be a way to make it less prone to tipping, or at least a way to make the bit tip out of the channel. One thing I've considered is adding a weight to the outside so the thing would be more inclined to tip to the outside. Right now it's more inclined to tip inward. I will say the channel is really clean and crisp with the downcut spiral bit in the luthiertool jig, no fuzzies to clean up. |
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