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| Author: | Sandywood [ Sun Sep 04, 2011 4:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | zpoxy pic |
  Sorry. Don't post enough to learn how some of this works. I thought I was editing in my thread. Oh well....done with this epoxy trip anyway...pictures are because someone wanted to see....I've seen enough personally and I know I won't see it again from using z-poxy. And these shots are after aggressive sanding with 80 grit.  .
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| Author: | alan stassforth [ Sun Sep 04, 2011 6:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: zpoxy pic |
I used some General wipe on poly sealer on a piece of Af. mahog, which was 1/8" thin, and it went all the way through the pores, to the other side of the piece. Luckily it was a test piece! I use regular paste filler, and use varnish over that. Looks nice, if you use the right varnish. |
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| Author: | Mike Baker [ Sun Sep 04, 2011 7:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: zpoxy pic |
i'm glad you were able to sand at least the majority of it off. Kudos to your persaverance and elbow grease. 
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| Author: | Sandywood [ Sun Sep 04, 2011 9:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: zpoxy pic |
Alan I'm done with "poly". Thanks for the kudos Mike. I'll be sticking with what has worked well in my past builds- acrylic water base micro-bead (LMI) Tru-oil finish. I brought this on myself by not listening to my instincts. The desire to learn and try something new got me in a mess. And your point is well taken Alan. Always test. I didn't as I didn't recall any of the videos of using it mention any of the problems I had with it. I even thought about that and read the package again when I mixed the junk and it was tinted...led me to believe it would be clear when cured....wrong. I can't sand deep enough to get rid of all the damage but it is what it is. It's been a long day and hopefully that's just an attitude and tomorrow will be different. I won't give up and will do the best I can. It's much better now than what I thought it would be. Fortunately it didn't soak into the neck/head and it's looking like it should. I think the end grain of the Sapele in the horns and tail soaked up to much and will be darker but at least one can see the grain now and it is closer to the natural look. This build is a gift to a well deserving person in the UK. I'll have to wait and see the end results before I know if it's worth at least the shipping...about 450 just to get it there. |
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| Author: | Mattia Valente [ Thu Sep 08, 2011 4:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: zpoxy pic |
Z-poxy is supposed to be fairly yellowish/dark brown when mixed, and when applied yields an IMO nice looking amber tint to woods its applied to. Yes, it darkens considerably, so if you wan't somehting lighter/less darkening you need to use either a different filler, or a different epoxy. Todd's vids on YouTube pretty clearly show the colour difference. In my experience, the epoxy does sand very well, doesn't gum my (3M) papers, and I like the look. I also tend to leave a little bit on the surface - thinned out with alcohol, just enough to make sure the colour is even - but it's not an 'easy to use' filler, really, and it works differently from 'standard' fillers. The guitars in this shot are all only filled with x-poxy; the les paulish thing in the front is completely filled and almost ready to spray, the strat and tele bodies (swamp ash) have top and back filled with one coat, sides still awaiting filling, and in need of at least one more application:   I'm sorry it didn't work out for you, but I'm just posting this to make sure people don't get turned off the product without trying - I've had a good run with it, as have many others. Yes, the end grain is significantly darker, but honestly I get the same look when I use lacquers or oil finishes - darker in the end grain, significantly so compared to bare wood. |
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| Author: | Sandywood [ Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: zpoxy pic |
Mattia thank you. I wish it had worked out differently too. I posted only asking if there were methods to get it off other than sanding- not to turn people against it. I also admit that I should have tested it first. Your first statement -"poxy is supposed to be fairly yellowish/dark brown when mixed, and when applied yields an IMO nice looking amber tint" - is something I took issue with. I read the instructions and bullets listed on the product container and nowhere did it state leaving a tint and quite the opposite as it stated "cures clear" which is not correct. (along with other lies I previously pointed out) To me there is a big difference of the end grain getting darker from a finish such as tru-oil and one that darkens and adds a tint. Just a horrible trip with it and I'm just glad the guitar is no longer covered with it. |
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| Author: | theguitarwhisperer [ Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: zpoxy pic |
Looks clear to me. I've never used Z-poxy, and doubt I ever will, simply because it looks like pain in the behind to use, but I don't think the package lied, per say, because even though the wood is tinted through the z-poxy, it is still clear, as all the wood grain is still visible, just slightly darker. |
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| Author: | Sandywood [ Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: zpoxy pic |
theguitarwhisperer wrote: Looks clear to me. I've never used Z-poxy, and doubt I ever will, simply because it looks like pain in the behind to use, but I don't think the package lied, per say, because even though the wood is tinted through the z-poxy, it is still clear, as all the wood grain is still visible, just slightly darker. "Z-poxy is supposed to be fairly yellowish/dark brown when mixed, and when applied yields an IMO nice looking amber tint to woods its applied to. Yes, it darkens considerably, so if you wan't somehting lighter/less darkening you need to use either a different filler, or a different epoxy. Todd's vids on YouTube pretty clearly show the colour difference." Get you some nice white maple theghostwhisperer and then you'll see how clear it is since you seem to think I'm wrong along with some others here. The package states "Clear" ....if you think "clear" means with an amber tint....alright by me. |
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| Author: | theguitarwhisperer [ Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: zpoxy pic |
I was thinking "clear" meaning "transparent" VS "opaque". Sunglasses are clear though they have a tint to them. Tupperware is opaque, even if it has no tint to it. I may be wrong. |
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| Author: | Bobc [ Thu Sep 08, 2011 8:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: zpoxy pic |
Sandywood wrote: theguitarwhisperer wrote: Looks clear to me. I've never used Z-poxy, and doubt I ever will, simply because it looks like pain in the behind to use, but I don't think the package lied, per say, because even though the wood is tinted through the z-poxy, it is still clear, as all the wood grain is still visible, just slightly darker. "Z-poxy is supposed to be fairly yellowish/dark brown when mixed, and when applied yields an IMO nice looking amber tint to woods its applied to. Yes, it darkens considerably, so if you wan't somehting lighter/less darkening you need to use either a different filler, or a different epoxy. Todd's vids on YouTube pretty clearly show the colour difference." Get you some nice white maple theghostwhisperer and then you'll see how clear it is since you seem to think I'm wrong along with some others here. The package states "Clear" ....if you think "clear" means with an amber tint....alright by me. You seem to be confusing clear with opague. Many finishes have a tint but are still clear. Z-Pozy is very clear and allows all the grain to show through. |
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| Author: | Sandywood [ Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: zpoxy pic |
Bobc wrote: Sandywood wrote: theguitarwhisperer wrote: Looks clear to me. I've never used Z-poxy, and doubt I ever will, simply because it looks like pain in the behind to use, but I don't think the package lied, per say, because even though the wood is tinted through the z-poxy, it is still clear, as all the wood grain is still visible, just slightly darker. "Z-poxy is supposed to be fairly yellowish/dark brown when mixed, and when applied yields an IMO nice looking amber tint to woods its applied to. Yes, it darkens considerably, so if you wan't somehting lighter/less darkening you need to use either a different filler, or a different epoxy. Todd's vids on YouTube pretty clearly show the colour difference." Get you some nice white maple theghostwhisperer and then you'll see how clear it is since you seem to think I'm wrong along with some others here. The package states "Clear" ....if you think "clear" means with an amber tint....alright by me. You seem to be confusing clear with opague. Many finishes have a tint but are still clear. Z-Pozy is very clear and allows all the grain to show through. The package doesn't say clear with amber tint. It states "clear". And I'm not confused at all...I know I'm done with it. And really don't have anything else to say about z-poxy. |
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| Author: | Tom Pettingill [ Fri Sep 09, 2011 9:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: zpoxy pic |
I've used Zpoxy Finishing Resin a few times now and had good luck with it so far. It will add a bit of amber tint to the mix, but I'm using Tru Oil over the top anyways and I like the warm look. I found it very easy to sand and not overly tough to work with, I apply with a squeegee. Here is a lap steel I did a while back with a Zpoxy fill and Tru Oil on top. . 
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