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Author:  Jim_Beam [ Thu Sep 20, 2012 7:41 pm ]
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My first build is started, I've taken a few pics but not uploaded them yet so they will come later.

Here are my questions:

I see that people run a ground wire from their electronics to the bridge. Not sure why (maybe someone could explain), but more importantly, I'm using a Gotoh TOM bridge and I don't see any way to connect a ground to it. Suggestions?

I'm a little daunted by selecting and connecting the tone and volume controls and a switch. If I'm using 2 humbuckers, is one volume, one tone, and one 3-way switch the way to go? Should I use pots with 3/8" posts, or 3/4" posts. And are the pre-wired setups from Mojotone OK?

Last, what is the correct adhesive to use with white plastic binding?

Thanks for any help you guys give!
Author:  jimmysux [ Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:46 pm ]
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The reason they ground at the bridge is because you have an effective ground at that area, and you wont hear string buzz as they call it. With your tuneomatic, you just put the ground wire in where one of the posts go, then drill a channel from there into the humbucker cavity or electronics cavity.
You can wire it however, pre-wired stuff is just fine usually.
As far as adhesive for binding, I haven't a clue. I don't do plastic binding, I use natural faux binding, and if I bind a neck it is with wood.
Author:  Chris Pile [ Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:57 pm ]
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A ground wire is necessary so you don't die if the guitar gets grounded....
Author:  JasonMoe [ Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:03 am ]
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To glue plastic binding, 3M plastic and emblem adhesive works great. You can get it at auto parts stores. Part #08061
Author:  klooker [ Fri Sep 21, 2012 6:20 am ]
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I've always used the Weld On binding adhesive available from Stewmac. Others use Duco cement.

Kevin Looker
Author:  alan stassforth [ Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:39 am ]
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I use the glue from LMI for plastic binding.
Cost is higher than Duco,
but to me it's worth it.
I think it's better.
Author:  Rodger Knox [ Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:56 am ]
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Will this guitar be for live performances or studio work? Simple controls are good for live performance because there's fewer things that have to be tweaked on stage. More complex may be useful in the studio.
I now prefer a single volume and tone control, it's simpler to wire and it's simpler to use. My first guitar had three single coils, two volume controls, two tone controls, and a 5 way switch. Way too much to fiddle with.
The 3/8" pots are for regular top thickness, the 3/4" are for carved top instruments like the Les Paul.
Author:  Freeman [ Fri Sep 21, 2012 5:49 pm ]
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I just built a LP clone, which isn't a whole lot of experience, but here is what I know

1 - I simply drilled a small hole from the bridge p/u cavity into one of the ToM post holes. I pushed a piece of my grounding wire into the post hole, spread the strands out, and when I pressed the post in I'm sure it is making very good ground contact. Btw, you may not need a ground but it is a whole lot easier to do now and can't hurt.

2 - I used the standard LP four pots, but there is a little wiring trick that makes it so that if you are on the center switch position and turn one all the way down you won't kill both pups. The wiring diagram is at StewMac's site. I also used their kit to make it easy to buy all the little pieces in one place but you can get them lots of places, including Radio Shack. In my limited experience, I find myself playing with both pups and controlling the mix with the two volumes.

3 - I used to use Duco cement for my plastic bindings (others like Weld On, they are similar). On the Lester I tried CA - it was a total cluster but actually came out OK. Would I do it again? - Not sure LOL. There is a bit of a description on post 85 and 105 here

http://acapella.harmony-central.com/sho ... Paul/page5
http://acapella.harmony-central.com/sho ... Paul/page6

Others have made their own adhesive from actetone and chopped up binding - it seems to do a pretty good job of melting the binding together but would also be a huge hassle.
Author:  dzsmith [ Fri Sep 21, 2012 6:27 pm ]
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Chris Pile wrote:
A ground wire is necessary so you don't die if the guitar gets grounded....

It also shunts electrical noise from the human body to ground - less static and hum.
Author:  Mike Baker [ Fri Sep 21, 2012 7:01 pm ]
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I dont have anything to add to all the great advice already given , except that IMHO I prefer 1vol, 1 tone and a 3-way. Especially if you're new to electronics/wiring/soldering. Simpler is better all the way around, most of the time.
Author:  Jim_Beam [ Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:25 pm ]
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Thanks to all of you for your replies.

When I get a few minutes to myself I'll post up a few pics. So far I've made a coupla' mistakes but nothing I can't recover from!
Author:  Mike Baker [ Fri Sep 21, 2012 10:11 pm ]
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Jim_Beam wrote:
So far I've made a coupla' mistakes but nothing I can't recover from!

You'll find if you haven't already that this is 75% of building, or thereabouts.
Author:  headstack [ Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:26 am ]
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Chris Pile wrote:
A ground wire is necessary so you don't die if the guitar gets grounded....

eek

This is the one reason you do not want a ground wire!

If you couple your strings to the guitar's electronics and touch something else conductive that is of a different ground potential, and your amp is designed in a way that current can flow through the circuit ground (common particularly on older amps with two prong plugs, but not only these) you can get anything from a serious tickle to a severe shock to even inducing coronary asystole (a stopped heart).

Now, wiring is not what is once was and if a venue is wired properly there should be little to worry about.

I happen to do string grounds because I do a lot of recording and I need things to be quiet.

If there is a shock concern, read this...

http://www.guitarnuts.com/technical/ele ... /index.php

Most of all just be careful at venues and use common sense.

Oh, and have a blast playing your best ever!
Author:  dzsmith [ Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:05 pm ]
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I was playing guitar and my buddy handed me his bass. Zaaaap. Never hold two guitars plugged into two different amps.
Duh!
Author:  Rodger Knox [ Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:58 pm ]
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I know what you mean! If everything is wired correctly, it's no problem, I've done it a hundred times. That is, I did it until I got zapped once. That was 20+ years ago, and I haven't done it since!
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