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Author: | JimO [ Tue Oct 07, 2014 7:14 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Adventures with Hot Hide Glue |
Never mind the fretboard. Just made a big mess of it. Was able to steam it of. Gotta work the next few days so I'll let it dry out before I sand off the hide glue and redo it with titebond. Gotta have fun with it. |
Author: | dzsmith [ Fri Oct 10, 2014 5:52 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Adventures with Hot Hide Glue |
I've only used Titebond. Since it is water based, I have had problems gluing veneers that have cracked when dry. I now clamp snugly, but not over tight and not for a long time. I can see how hide glue would be good on veneer. Dan |
Author: | JimO [ Sun Oct 12, 2014 9:26 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Adventures with Hot Hide Glue |
Well back to titebond to finish these builds. HHG has it's place and I'm going to continue to use it for certain things. Also got a bottle of Old Brown Glue with pattern router bit from Rockler. (Free shipping if I purchased $25). This will be interesting to see how it works. Question: My shop is not heated nor cooled (except for fans). How does hide glue respond to freezing? |
Author: | warmong [ Tue Dec 09, 2014 2:54 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Adventures with Hot Hide Glue |
just a few words on how I use HHG for fretboards: 1) preheat the neck with a hot block of wood 2) scrape the fretboard slightly (!) concave prior to gluing. the water in the HHG might cause the fretboard to expand a little on the underside, leaving you with gaps along the fretboard if you don't 3) clamp down using a thick flat block on top of the fretboard 4)don't clean up the glue squeeze out, except above the body where it will be impossible to clean off after the glue dries. During the drying, the squeeze out will contract, pulling the fretboard even tighter to the neck. 5)keep the fretboard clamped down overnight. hope this helps, in case you would want to give it a second try. |
Author: | JimO [ Tue Dec 09, 2014 6:05 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Adventures with Hot Hide Glue |
Cool. Might try it during the next Georgia summer. Plenty of heat, LOL. |
Author: | Bob Shanklin [ Wed Dec 10, 2014 2:21 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Adventures with Hot Hide Glue |
Jim, You can glue your top to the sides with HHG if you apply the glue to both surfaces, and let it set up. After it has set up you place the top on the rims and use one of these to steam small sections and clamp as you go. . The steam reactivates the HHG and this system works well. Bob |
Author: | JimO [ Thu Dec 11, 2014 8:49 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Adventures with Hot Hide Glue |
There ya go |
Author: | DennisK [ Fri Dec 12, 2014 10:01 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Adventures with Hot Hide Glue |
Keep at it and you'll develop a feel for it. Your gaps are most likely due to the glue gelling before you got it squeezed out. Heat the parts nice and warm before applying glue, and preferably work in a warm room (at least 75F, preferably 80). Large area surfaces like fingerboards are especially tough. Adding a bit more water to the glue helps it squeeze out easier. Rubbing water on the outer surface can help to counteract any cupping. And as warmong says, scrape the glue surface a couple thousandths concave. Also, you never really need to sand off hide glue residue. Just lay a damp paper towel on it for a while to re-hydrate it, and then rub it off with a warm wet towel. This is one of the things I like about hide, because if you ever find yourself unable to reach some squeeze-out without removing a clamp, you can always just get it after it dries. Gluing the plates on acoustics is even harder than fingerboards. I have yet to perfect a technique for it. |
Author: | Hesh [ Sat Dec 13, 2014 9:23 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Adventures with Hot Hide Glue |
DennisK wrote: Gluing the plates on acoustics is even harder than fingerboards. I have yet to perfect a technique for it. Here's a great approach: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC78Z9zFG0I |
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