Official Luthiers Forum!

Owned and operated by Lance Kragenbrink
It is currently Thu Nov 21, 2024 6:19 pm


All times are UTC - 5 hours





Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 17 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:12 pm 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jul 31, 2010 4:03 pm
Posts: 158
First name: Neil
Last Name: Kwak
State: PA
Country: United States
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Oh, what the heck. Count me in, though I doubt I'll finish it in time. # 1 has yet to be fitted with the fretboard but I need the motivation. I won't have access to half the tools I used for the first though as well as the molds. I'm envisioning doing a short scale dread inspired by the Martin HD-28V. If I can't get the molds I'll probably do another OLF medium jumbo then like my first.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:18 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:52 am
Posts: 1388
First name: Zeke
Last Name: McKee
City: Goodlettsville
State: TN
Zip/Postal Code: 37070
Country: United States
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Im so glad you decided to join in! I know that first one is taking some time but the second is much easier. Plus its good to have a deadline to motivate you. Good luck neil!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:21 pm 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jul 31, 2010 4:03 pm
Posts: 158
First name: Neil
Last Name: Kwak
State: PA
Country: United States
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Thansk, Zeke! Here are some pics of my materials. The carpathian and the neck were donated and I picked up the EIR from RC Tonewoods. They're stacked in my basement and I've been able to keep the RH steady at 40%.

Image

Image

Image

Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:37 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Thu Oct 07, 2010 5:28 pm
Posts: 687
First name: Casey
Last Name: Cochran
City: Gainesville
State: GA
Zip/Postal Code: 30501
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Nice lookin' wood. Have fun!

_________________
Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from poor judgement.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:45 pm 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jul 31, 2010 4:03 pm
Posts: 158
First name: Neil
Last Name: Kwak
State: PA
Country: United States
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Thanks! I can't wait to get started on it but I have some other things to take care of before I start on this one. One thing that is slowing things down is that I need to plan out how I want to brace this thing based on the length of the premade neck that I received from John Hall. I don't think it's a 25.4" scale neck; it's about a 1/2" shorter than the neck on my first which is 25.4" scale with 14 frets clear of the body. If this neck is truly a short scale then I'm told I need to forward shift the bracing. I don't know what that means exactly, but I'm assuming that I need the junction of the X to be 1" from the edge of the soundhole and the bracing widened to 100 degree with the tone bars' angles adjusted as well. My first has a 100 degree angle and it's gonna be loud. If this one follows suits I will be greatly pleased.

Anyway, I've been doing a little digging around online and I think the only such creature that Martin ever made is the current D-18SS. That means that my rosewood/carpathian dread will be pretty unique. Other than that, I wanted to simplify this build a little by purchasing a serviced fingerboard and prebuilt ebony bridge.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:23 pm 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jul 31, 2010 4:03 pm
Posts: 158
First name: Neil
Last Name: Kwak
State: PA
Country: United States
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
I officially kicked this build off yesterday when I joined the top. Today I started whittling away at the thickness with a number 5 jack plane.

Image

Yeah, I know: too much weight. FWIW the joint came out nice and tight.

Image


Last edited by nkwak on Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:48 am, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:27 am 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jul 31, 2010 4:03 pm
Posts: 158
First name: Neil
Last Name: Kwak
State: PA
Country: United States
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
I have to ask: does it look like one side of my rosewood back is flipped? I shot the joint last night and it passes the light test either way. What would you do? Flip one side or leave it?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:16 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Thu Oct 07, 2010 5:28 pm
Posts: 687
First name: Casey
Last Name: Cochran
City: Gainesville
State: GA
Zip/Postal Code: 30501
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Sometimes it takes a little study with a nice clean set like that. Put them together in all possible configurations and study the grain and saw marks on the edges to determine the correct bookmatch.

_________________
Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from poor judgement.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:30 am 
Offline
Koa
Koa
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:14 am
Posts: 992
Location: Shefford, Québec
First name: Tim
Last Name: Mullin
City: Shefford
State: QC
Zip/Postal Code: J2M 1R5
Country: Canada
Focus: Build
Status: Professional
You might be uncertain looking at that set with the edges to be joined together, but you have a distinctive grain pattern on the outside edges. Keep the chalk outline face up, and place the outer edges together. Does it look like a true book match? Now flip one side end for end (outline now down). It will be obvious which way up the side should be.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:36 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:01 pm
Posts: 3031
First name: Tony
Last Name: C
City: Brooklyn
State: NY
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
It's a tough call but it might be flipped. Post a pic of it both ways.
I'm also looking at the pic on my cell, so it's really tiny.

_________________
http://www.CostaGuitars.com
PMoMC


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:45 am 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jul 31, 2010 4:03 pm
Posts: 158
First name: Neil
Last Name: Kwak
State: PA
Country: United States
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
OK, I took some pics in natural lighting:

As outlined:

Image

Flipping the "right" side; the saw marks and rough surface make it not so apparent:

Image

...but when I flip the "left" side only I think it's clear that this was the way it was supposed to be:

Image

I think I'm going to go with the last way and then join the plates. I was told to inlay the zig zag center strip as opposed to placing it between the edges of the boards.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:43 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:01 pm
Posts: 3031
First name: Tony
Last Name: C
City: Brooklyn
State: NY
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
The last pic looks best. The curved grain in the outer edge matches up better.

_________________
http://www.CostaGuitars.com
PMoMC


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:07 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:52 am
Posts: 1388
First name: Zeke
Last Name: McKee
City: Goodlettsville
State: TN
Zip/Postal Code: 37070
Country: United States
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
I'm with Tony. Last one is the bestestest


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:35 pm 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jul 31, 2010 4:03 pm
Posts: 158
First name: Neil
Last Name: Kwak
State: PA
Country: United States
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Last one it is then. I'll double check the joint and probably glue it up tonight. I'm trying to build up some momentum. I don't want this build to take three years like my first build has.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:39 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member

Joined: Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:44 pm
Posts: 1225
Location: Andersonville
State: Tennessee
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Professional
nkwak wrote:
OK, I took some pics in natural lighting:

As outlined:

Image

Flipping the "right" side; the saw marks and rough surface make it not so apparent:

Image

...but when I flip the "left" side only I think it's clear that this was the way it was supposed to be:

Image

I think I'm going to go with the last way and then join the plates. I was told to inlay the zig zag center strip as opposed to placing it between the edges of the boards.


I think RC got it right with your dread outline, if you look just below the chalk numbering just inside the line, I see a slight distortion in the grain, possibly a branch/knot shadow on both sides, that is how I would join the plates


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:36 pm 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jul 31, 2010 4:03 pm
Posts: 158
First name: Neil
Last Name: Kwak
State: PA
Country: United States
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
I glued up the rosewood back today:

Image

Image

I'll take it out tomorrow and then work on inlaying the back strip. After that I'm going to plane it and the sides down to about .09" thick. The top is thicknessed down to around 3mm (.120") which is around where it needs to be. I need to finish my template and rout the rosette channels.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:24 am 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jul 31, 2010 4:03 pm
Posts: 158
First name: Neil
Last Name: Kwak
State: PA
Country: United States
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
I routed for and inlaid the zig zag center strip last night:

Image

Image

Image

Image


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 17 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 18 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
phpBB customization services by 2by2host.com