Official Luthiers Forum!

Owned and operated by Lance Kragenbrink
It is currently Sat Nov 30, 2024 11:26 pm


All times are UTC - 5 hours





Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 6 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 4:53 pm 
Offline
Mahogany
Mahogany
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:07 am
Posts: 58
Location: United States
Help!

I built this guitar in 2008 and it's been sitting in the case for several years. I took it out a month ago and noticed there is a discoloration (greenish cast) on the spruce top on both edges of the lower bout. Please see the photo below. The finish was perfect on this guitar for years after it was built. The pores were sealed with Z-Poxy and the top was finished with KTM-9.

As an experiment, I had it sitting on a stand in front of a window for several hours today to see if exposure to natural light might help. Maybe it's a tiny bit better, but not sure. It might be wishful thinking. Short of stripping off the hold finish does anyone have any ideas? The neck on this guitar is glued on (I do bolt on now) and I don't want to get get involved in removing it. I'm thinking if I sand off the finish in the affected areas and feather in the finish to the rest of the top there will be witness lines since KTM-9 does not burn in.

I'd really appreciate any ideas anyone might have on how best to fix it. This is the first guitar I built and it sounds and plays beautifully.

Thanks for your help!!!

Ric

Image

_________________
Ric Hollander
Kings Park, NY
http://www.hollanderguitars.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 5:41 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:42 pm
Posts: 1703
First name: John
Last Name: Parchem
City: Seattle
State: Wa
Zip/Postal Code: 98177
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Could the greenish cast be in or on top of the finish from where the case felt hit it. I wonder if over time there was some dye transfer. I only mention that as you said both lower bouts and it looks like the felt is green. No Idea with that finish how to fix it.

_________________
http://www.Harvestmoonguitars.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 5:42 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:27 pm
Posts: 2109
Location: South Carolina
First name: John
Last Name: Cox
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Any chance the discolored areas were sapwood?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:40 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:14 am
Posts: 992
Location: Shefford, Québec
First name: Tim
Last Name: Mullin
City: Shefford
State: QC
Zip/Postal Code: J2M 1R5
Country: Canada
Focus: Build
Status: Professional
Is that by chance a Cedar Creek case?


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:46 pm 
Offline
Mahogany
Mahogany
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:07 am
Posts: 58
Location: United States
John - You nailed it! It is present only on the areas where the case touches the guitar, i.e. lower bout edges and back of neck behind the first fret. Any idea how to fix it?

Tim - Yes it is a Cedar Creek case. Have you seen this before?

_________________
Ric Hollander
Kings Park, NY
http://www.hollanderguitars.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 8:00 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:14 am
Posts: 992
Location: Shefford, Québec
First name: Tim
Last Name: Mullin
City: Shefford
State: QC
Zip/Postal Code: J2M 1R5
Country: Canada
Focus: Build
Status: Professional
Ric Hollander wrote:
Tim - Yes it is a Cedar Creek case. Have you seen this before?

The green fabric looks familiar. I imported a half-dozen CC cases when I was living in New Zealand in 2009, so same vintage as your guitar. They weren't cheap, but then nothing is in the "land of the long white cloud". Most were tighter than I'd like and all of them stank with fumes that I presumed originated from the adhesive. Different guitars have reacted to contact with the fabric and/or the gassing off of the adhesive. All had the same finish (precat polyester) but the reaction (at least for the three still here) varied with the wood underneath. The fabric "sticks" to the EIR, but the marks are easily polished out. The Ancient Kauri developed a "bloom" over the finish -- again it polished out, but soon returned. I haven't actually had negative feedback from those that went to clients, and the one that's come back for service seems fine. None actually have any colour transfer as you seem to have.
The off-gassing continued for several years with a disagreeable odour, despite several afternoons airing outside with full sunlight. Not my favourite cases.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 6 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 15 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
cron
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
phpBB customization services by 2by2host.com