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Shane, we should probably think of "Kermode" as a Trademark. However, as far as I can tell, it not registered with the US Patent and Trademark office.SteveCourtright38978.4219097222

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Serge, here's a pic of the Tamarak top I have. It was sent to me by another Canadian whose name I can't recall. I ordered some sitka tops and he threw this one in for free. Can't beat a deal like that!



This top is very stiff, looks kinda like WRC and when tapped it rings like a bell. Just wish I could remember where the heck I got it.

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Thanks a lot Dave, WOW, it sure looks nice from here, tight grained and all, it sure will make a fine looking top.

I'll really try to get my paws on some if i find sufficient diameters!


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You're welcome buddy! Let me know if you find some, I might like to have a few more sets in case I do something stupid when I'm ready to use this one.

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You never know Dave, you just never know, i'll keep this thought at the back of my head!


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I have built with Larch and it was nice. It had a very pronounced color difference in summer/winter grain, much like Douglas Fir or Adirondack Red Spruce. It does not have the same stiffness as either of them and does not have the sustain of Sitka but is an interesting alternative wood. I only built an 0 sized guitar that was mostly used for fingerstyle but it looked and sounded good.

I have built with Hemlock and Douglas Fir also with good results but do not think I could sell a guitar if I mentioned what the tops were. Both were built for friends who were not particular as to species but both were very happy with the sound.

I have had very good response from classical and flamenco guitars built with Lutz and Blue (White) Spruce.


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Years ago when I worked at the Buffalo Sewer Authority Treatment Plant they were building a new secondary treatment plant. One of the stations had a 6' high wood plank fence around it. All QS 2" thick larch planks that were black from years of weathering. They were removing this fence so I salvaged a lot of the boards. After running thru my planer the wood was gorgeous. Unfortunalely I was into burning wood to heat my home at the time.
If I only knew then what I know now.

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Shawn,

Thanks for sharing your experience with Larch,douglas fir and Hemlock, i know that you could not mention the top wood names to your customers but how was the sound of Larch for instance? Could you elaborate more on this one in particular please?

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[QUOTE=Shane Neifer] Dennis,

In my most humble opinion using the term "Lutz Spruce" is very appropriate and is the actual common name for the hybrid harvested here. In labelling this wood as "Lutz" it is being defined as a unique wood holding it's own characteristics. This is the term found most often in the literature that describes the hybrid. It also follows a logic as seen in Sitka Spruce (Picea sitchensis). Calling it "Kermode Spruce" does not relate to anything that is published anywhere but is indeed a very fine marketing tool. It does not allow anyone, though, the opportunity to more closely describe the wood they recieve and present on finished guitars to their customers. I can very easily acquire pure sitka logs (as can Mario) and I recently turned down an offer on Engelmann logs. I guess what I am getting at is that I could call all of the spruce I sell as "High Mountain Super top grade you rock guitar top wood" and I could source logs from where ever that incorporate a bunch of different species, all of them good. But when you build with the stuff you would not know if some of this "HMSTGYRGTW" was sitka, engelmann or white spruce. So what I am trying to do is ensure that builders know the origin of the wood they get from me by using the published common name for this hybrid. I do remember that some time ago Mario was working out Prince Rupert on the coast and was trying some salvage logs which would have all been sitka. If it was sold as "Kermode Spruce" and you bought some, how would you be able to ensure that you could get more as you would only know that you liked it and not necessarily what species you were working with?

Dennis I am not at all trying to slag Mario, that is not my style. He does have a very good wood and he is very good at marketing and there are number of people that like being able to say that they use "Kermode Spruce". I am just trying to explain that there is a difference between using a common name set by science and published in literature and one set entirely for market purposes. I hope I am making sence!!

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Shane

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Hi Shane,

If "Lutz" is indeed the widely accepted common name that a forester or botanist would use, just as they might say "Englemann" rather than "engelmannii", or "Sitka" rather than "sitchensis", then I stand corrected. I thought it was your nickname for the species. You know, sort of like calling White Spruce (Picea glauca) "Glauc." The one publication I could find (RECOMMENDED VERNACULAR NAMES FOR COMMON PLANTS OF BRITISH COLUMBIA) called it "Roche spruce."

Like many of those afflicted with the dreaded WAS, I too have more tonewood than a beginner luthier needs (or could use in many years!) But, I peruse the tonewoods for sale like a kid with a toy catalog. In so doing, I have noted that Mario DaCosta does occasionally sell White Spruce or Sitka Spruce, and so does not label everything he sells as "Kermodie." I believe that everything sold as "Kermodie" is a Picea lutzii hybrid. I have had some confusion with some wood he labeled as "White Kermodie", but it is my understanding that he was trying to describe some characteristic of that wood. As you have noted, the taxonomists are probably not quite done with the Lutzii hybrid(s) naming yet, because along with the Sitka and White, there can be a third species (Englemann) in the hybridization. Even more confusing is that there are a number of varieties of White Spruce (though not all native to your area):
Picea glauca var. glauca (Eastern White Spruce)
Picea glauca var. densata (Black Hills White Spruce)
Picea glauca var. albertiana (Alberta White Spruce)
Picea glauca var. porsildii (Alaska White Spruce)

One thing that does not seem to be in question is the quality of the lutzii as a tonewood. My one and only guitar uses it (and I'm very pleased), and most luthiers that have used lutzii (whether they called it "Lutz" or "Kermodie") have raved about it. I think Stradivarius would have sold his grandparents into slavery for the treasure trove of tonewood in your and Mario's back yard!

Dennis




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