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Thanks Bruce,
I have a cyclone, every tool is hooked to it, except my ROS (I need to get that tied in) I use a down draft table, I have a BIG delta air cleaner and a small shop, I use masks, and still get to much dust. I am looking on to one of those Trend face shields that blow fresh filtered air over your face. This seems like a very good solution.

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Careful fellas. There is a big difference between dust respirators and actual paint respirators. I was pretty adamant about wearing my 3M dust respirator at work in the body shop but would not have any protection from isocyanates with it. As a matter of fact, the only way to totally protect yourself from iso's is with a complete hooded suit, gloves and a fresh air supplied mask/shield. No exposed skin.



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Joe,

What are isocyanates? Are we likely to have them in our shops?

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Lance, Yeah, I think the first I saw of those was in Jeff Traugotts website shots of his shop and himself.

You see them in woodworking catalogs too. A rechargable battery pack, filters, and motor on a belt, hose up the back to the hood. Especially good for folks with a beard. (sigh... it's only money.... and our lives at stake)

I still haven't sprung for the ambient air cleaner yet, the type that hang from the ceiling.... but I do, pop open a window, throw the box fan on the window ledge on high, and kick open the door and crack a window near my nine foot tall dust redistributor. (I've quit calling them dust collectors after reading Bill's articles)

Cocobolo, you can bet I'll be wearing leather boots, a jumpsuit with long sleeves, and a hat. Why is it the prettiest woods are so toxic?

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[QUOTE=Bruce Dickey] Why is it the prettiest woods are so toxic?[/QUOTE]

My guess is they need those toxins to survive in tropical forests.

I was in a forest in Costa Rica once, could not believe the number of critters crawling around everywhere, all hungry.

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[QUOTE=Cocephus]

I`ve been pretty healthy all my life, but this past winter I was diagnosed with allergies after infections that would go away and come right back after a month or so. Doc prescribed Allegra, which seems to help alot, but just isn`t quite doing the trick completely.


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Sounds like me, ten years ago. On a whim, I quit using dairy products, changed my life, no meds. YMMV.

Also, I read a book called sinus survival, written by a doc who had chronic sinus infections. Lots of good info there. Not a real exciting read, though!

Might be worth getting evaluated by an allergist.

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For anyone who cares here is a recipe for the nose rinse, which is basically the same as they sell in stores and will cost you next to nothing for a large supply.  Even with wearing masks you could benefit from this.  


The Direction are to rinse 2 to 3 times a day with either a bulb/ear syringe(90cc) or a Water Pik(best option but more $$)


Recipe: Carefully clean and rinse a 1-quart glass jar.  Fill the jar with tap or bottled(recommended) water.  Some doctors say distilled water instead.


Add 2 to 3 heaping teaspoons of kosher salt. DO NOT use table salt!! It has unwanted additives!


Add one rounded teaspoon of baking soda(pure bicarbonate).


Stir or shake before each use.  Store at room temp.  After one week pour out any mixture left over and make a new batch.


If the salt seems way too strong you can vary it slightly start with one or two teaspoons.  Same for children, start at one or two and slowly increase to 2 to 3 heaping teaspoons.


If you use a nasal steriod always use the salt solution first then your nose spray(Nasacort, Nasonex, Flonase, Rhinocort, ect.)


So after sawing up some coco, just go clean up, pour some of your solution into a little bowl and rinse with your bulb or water pik.  Then just toss the left over solution down the drain so you don't contaminate the rest of it.  This will work really well.  There are a few different recipes, but this is your basic saline rinse and will work wonders for you.  You can also toss the mix in the microwave for a few second as most people find it less irritating if its a little warm.  I dare you to go eat afterwards, oh man everything tastes so much better.  The same thing used to happen to me out on the deep sea fishing boats, never had a better tasting burger in my life.  I think its because of the salt.


Anyhow, I just wanted to offer that because it would be a really good idea for all you guys who don't do it and do a lot of wood working.   If there are any questions regarding the recipe or process just ask, I'll try to help if I can.  Best wishes. Jason



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[QUOTE=burbank]Joe,

What are isocyanates? Are we likely to have them in our shops?[/QUOTE]


Pat, you will not have iso's in your shop unless you are finishing with catalyzed materials. The chemical reaction from the clear and the catalyst crosslinking cause the isosyanates to become airborne as you spray. I only threw this out to remind everyone that dust respirators should never be worn as protection when spraying. Paint respirators are constructed and filtered much differently than dust respirators. While the dust respirators may actually trap some solids that end up in the air, their filters will clog quickly and are not designed to help at all with the airborne vapors and solvents that are created. Sadly, even the best paint respirators do very little to protect us from isocyanates. Isocyanates enter the body through the lungs, eyes and any exposed skin. They attack and break down the nervous system. VERY BAD STUFF. Be careful with any catalyzed paint guys, it's not worth risking your health. 



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[QUOTE=Hesh1956] I had the same surgery when I was 17 also for a deviated rectum but I am not sure it helped at all.......

Rod True has a picture that he might, or might not..... post of what results from not using a dust mask while using hide glue.

Rod?[/QUOTE]

I just saw this. Hesh, please don't show my crazy mug with the HG booger hanging out of my nose. Just remember kids, always wear protection and don't do drugs (A little Nancy Regan for you there)

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Hesh, that surgery on your sound port sounds painful!

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Can you coordinate the air in and out between your sound hole and your sound port?  Or is the frequency too high to be able to properly see the flapping paper?  

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That's a scream Waddy!

I'm really hesitant to post this because people are already realing from the high price of... gas!



At least Hesh has his helmet on!


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    They say most of the green house gases come from cows! Huhm.    

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I going to irrigate my sinuses now!

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