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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 4:41 am 
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I have one building for project and may be a new model for me,Murphy's Law model. Has anyone else had a guitar that whatever you did on it seemed made it seem like the guitar build from hades. I always seem to have one or two little (sometimes not to little) things to fix or have a problem with At one time (before Mark K's) jigs, I struggled with m&t stuff. This one though is kicking my @%%. No matter what I am doing, it seems to just go wrong. From having back want to arch the opposite way of braces, to gluing the top to back part of rim, name it. I am doing things on 4 others at same time and doing same task on each as I go. They go fine. This is the 3d one in line. Stop those and get to this one in the line and it goes bad. Put it away and do the next one in line no problem. I think a voodo doll is out there with a pic of this guitar. I don't know why, but whatever I do on this thing it seems if it can go bad, it will. Anyone else ever have a project that no matter what, you just had continued problems.


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By the way not working tired, rushed, or distracted. Working at my own pace so those are not factors. I usually build 4 or 5 at a time bunches. Since retired, I can do or work on them as I need or want, so not alot of pressure on. This out of the 6 previous and this new bunch, the only one have had cont problems with. By the way I ran down the thief who took over $900 bucks in repair to guitar. No money, no guitar. They are working on him to see where he sold it or whatever he did. Can't believe they won't let me interview him. I did the work in finding him and now can't get my satisfaction. Have a DA who is more interested in not filing than doing so, I see a plea here. Talked to feds about interstate thing, but have more on plate than want to mess with. I understand that. So I guess it will turn out as a lesson well learned, He has to walk the streets sometime, and guess who is in waiting.


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Stan,

Hang in there! I am so new to building that every project seems to be a struggle. I bet the Murphys Law guitar will sound like a million bucks. That will be the reward.

Glad you found the crook, but sad that you get no guitar or money back. Just doesn't seem right, the guy probably sold it and then used the money for meth. The justice system is over burdened, so this is small potatos for them. But, a major headache for you! Not to mention lost money. I am sorry, you don't deserve that kind of bad luck.

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[QUOTE=stan thomison]Has anyone else had a guitar that whatever you did on it seemed made it seem like the guitar build from hades. I always seem to have one or two little (sometimes not to little) things to fix.../QUOTE]

A guitar, Stan? A GUITAR?? Mine are all like that. I thought that was part of the deal. There's always something going wrong, and just about the time you think you've made all the mistakes that are possible, you learn new ways to make more. I know this is slender comfort, but it's offered in the vein of: misery loves company. (Still doesn't help much, does it?)

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Steve coming from a luthier like you, that is more comfort than you know. I will get this one done, and hope the young man meant for will get pleasure playing it. I just did the rosette inlay last night on new (2nd) top and it went better than expected. Doing the braces today and hope to put top on in the morning and bind it Monday.
Then have to fix up mess with the endgraft. I may post photos and get some ideas of what I might do on that.


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[QUOTE=stan thomison] By the way not working tired, rushed, or distracted. Working at my own pace so those are not factors. I usually build 4 or 5 at a time bunches. Since retired, I can do or work on them as I need or want, so not alot of pressure on. This out of the 6 previous and this new bunch, the only one have had cont problems with. By the way I ran down the thief who took over $900 bucks in repair to guitar. No money, no guitar. They are working on him to see where he sold it or whatever he did. Can't believe they won't let me interview him. I did the work in finding him and now can't get my satisfaction. Have a DA who is more interested in not filing than doing so, I see a plea here. Talked to feds about interstate thing, but have more on plate than want to mess with. I understand that. So I guess it will turn out as a lesson well learned, He has to walk the streets sometime, and guess who is in waiting. [/QUOTE]

Stan, YOU are not alone...let him show up at my shop...I will easily recognize him from all the scars...then wait till he's sees what I have in store for him...

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As far as the "guitar from hell" goes...It will probably turn out to be the best sounding one yet...then you will wonder "what the heck did I do..."

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Stan, I'm pretty sure we can all relate to your frustration. Mine seams to come in waves rather than particular guitars. Right now, I'm ready to throw in the towel and start pumping gas for a living. I'm got 8 guitars that are all giving me fits. Last week EVERYTHING was as smooth as glass. I'm just glad it's a weekend so I can relax and get refreshed again.
You might take a break from that one for awhile. Build some jigs, clean your shop for a day. Just something to distance yourself from the frustration.
Chin up. Paul


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Stan that sounds very familiar to me pal. Lots of Murphy's Law in my shop. Thats how you learn new tricks and become inovative. As for Steve's post I think he is trying to give us mere mortals some comfort.
His work is just too nice.

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We have to average everything like that out. I can look on the bright side. My resawing was going so well on the high dollar Sapele, until for some reason the blade just veered left and then jumped off the top wheel. Ruined a half a hundred dollar backset, and a thirty two dollar Timberwolf. I'm just glad it wasn't the two hundred dollar carbide I have coming in.

Looking on the bright side, I have five sets of highly figured pomele Sapele on the shelf. Hang in there Stan, it'll be all right!   


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It's common to us all...

I just cracked the wonderful set of zircote that bob sent from the auction, I have the back joined and was thinning it down and *crack*!!

I was able to fix it with CA and I don't think it will show once I final sand it, but man am I mad. The minute that wood was out of the wrapper it started the potato chip moves, I stickered it and was able to join it but it seems to have a mind of it's own. It's getting a *W I D E* marriage strip and four braces to keep it stable.

But it happens to everyone, Ervin Somogyi told me one time that he was positive that he had made more mistakes than anyone else to get where he is, the biggest mistake builders make he said was that they get mad and quit when things don't go perfect.

When it gets really bad I just walk away and do something else for a while and them come back, where there with you pal

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BobC--"mere mortals" indeed. If you looked more closely than these fuzzy pix on the internet allow, you'd have a more realistic appraisal of my work, amigo. And Stan, I keep telling myself I got into this to build guitars. Ending up building more character than anything else. Paul has some great advice---walk away from it for a bit. And go WOOD SHOPPING!! (That does it for a luthier like buying shoes does it for the ladies.)

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